confirm Euro Club Sport

[jwetering]

A friend of mine is making a move on a 1988 Clubsport in Germany (we're in Canada). Can anyone out there confirm the car is a true clubsport using the following VIN and engine part numbers?

VIN: WPOZZZ91ZJS88 105093

engine #: 930 2063 J65000

It's black on black - looks great in the photos.

I hope like hell the deal works out because a) He needs driving lessons, which I will be more than happy to provide via demontrations and b) I want to buy it from him if he ever gets tired of it.

THanks in advance to the guys with the books.

[Eric Coffey]

Well it looks like the correct VIN configuration for an R.O.W. `88 Club Sport, but the Red Book shows that the highest sequential SN (last 4 digits) for those cars only went up to 5081. Probably just a misprint (the Red Book is known to have it's fair share of factual errors). To further verify the car, confirm that it has the correct option code (M637), and the higher tach. redline. Also, the car should have the following deletions: Power windows, power seats, central locking, radio, passenger sun visor, door pockets, rear seats, sound insulation, A/C, and undercoating. Another dead giveaway would be the optional "CS" decal on the front fender. Let us know how it turns out!

[island911]

Hey Jasper,
Tell you friend, peter Morgan's "Original Porsche 911" book says;
1988 ROW Club Sport chassis # WPOZZZ91ZJS105001 -148
Doh!. . . that makes 67 more CS to be tackled and domintated by the SC. Those are some of the tougher to be dominated. . .
Hmmm, I retract the above; there are only 81 CS's made as the Red Book says. He *must* then have a regular carrera. .. unless ya think you can convince your friend of the merits of turning those letters around?

[jwetering]

Methinks it's genuine...the car has a CS sticker on the front fender...and the current owner actually says in his advert that this car is one of 148 built. No chance to check the car out in person to verify the various deletes unfortunately. He will have a PPI done though. Hopefully the shop will know a clubsport froma Carrera.

Now what's all this about a higher redline on the clubsports?? I'd heard clubsport engines were balaneced and blueprinted, but I didn't think they were rated differently on paper. I'm only letting him buy this car because I think I have a good chance of beating him in a road race with my super-lite SC....I don't want to be fighting a higher redline!

I'lll keep you all posted.
thanks

[ljonespwc]

Hey Jasper, I live in Victoria BC, and I sold my 1988 Club Sport last August. Here is some of the information I used on my for sale advertisement--I got this info from various sources, including a Porsche marketing letter:

The engine and chassis were assembled by the Porsche Sport Division, rather than the normal Porsche factory assembly line system. To achieve higher rpms (6600 rpm redline, 6840 max. rpm), hollow valves were used, and a special computer chip was developed to manage the fuel injection and ignition systems. The engines were balanced and blueprinted, producing between 232 and 237 horsepower at the factory, compared to the normal 214 horsepower rating (Porsche, however, maintained the 214 hp rating in its marketing literature). To reduce weight, the air conditioning system was deleted, along with power windows, sound absorbing material, door pocket covers, and the rear seat. Upgraded sway bars and Koni sport shock absorbers were used in the suspension. A short-shifting version of the G-50 transmission was used, as originally developed for the 963 racing program.

HOW MANY CLUB SPORTS WERE PRODUCED?

Total 1988 911 CS production: 109, of which 21 were shipped to the US, and only 1 to Canada.

Total 1989 911 CS production: 83, of which 7 were shipped to the US.

I've owned the CS, as well as an '87 Carrera. I did notice a difference in power between the two models, and p-car owners always made positive comments during track events. Let me know if you'd like any other information, including fair pricing. BTW, I believe your friend would have the only Club Sport registered in Canada, as mine went to a fellow in Baltimore.

[rob911]

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HOW MANY CLUB SPORTS WERE PRODUCED?

Total 1988 911 CS production: 109, of which 21 were shipped to the US, and only 1 to Canada.

Total 1989 911 CS production: 83, of which 7 were shipped to the US.

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Don't forget that, apparently, there was a "Club Sport US model".

Totals might be 340 worldwide (see p.82 red book).

p.94
Club Sport U.S. WPOAB091CJS125001-5300
300 Models made.

island 911
I thought the same, but mazbe more were produced. The prefix part of the VIN is correct. I cannot find it in use anywhere else on "regular" models.

jwetering
Best bet is to drive the car right next to/after a carrera, then if neccessary get a confirmation form Porsche.
If it cannot be confirmed as a Club Sport, price as a replica and enjoy

[jwetering]

So, ljonespwc , that was YOUR clubsport for sale at Three Point eh. Dark blue, I remeber seeing it advertised, but I never called to find out what the asking price was because I KNEW it woudl be more than I could afford. THat was the car that actually inspired my buddy to search out a clubsport of his own. Recall that I am encouraging him partly because I hope he'll sell it to me.

The car comes from Italy, and has 175,000 kilometres. It is selling for the equivalent of $33,000 Canadian dollars. My friend has imported cars before, and expects to pay about $1500 - $2000 to transport the car. I estimate an average clean Clubsport to be worth $50,000 Canadian. Is that about right?

We've seen some grainy picture only, but the seller claims the car has never been tracked, and was well maintained. We are arranging a PPI in Munich.

Regarding Horsepower....this is a Euro car, so the factory claimed 231HP...I wonder if the real figure would be correspondingly higher, as it was with the US models?

I had also heard that clubsports (or was it rennsports) were seam welded rather than spot welded as the regular series cars were ... do you have any info on that?

We'de love to hear more, or look at any pictures you have.

email is jwetering@lehighcement.com

[Superman]

What's all this business about "balanced" and "blueprinted?" I thought that balanced meant balanced (they way any self-respecting crank, rods and pistons (and flywheels, etc) leave a machine shop. And I thought that "blueprinted" means that the measurements of the internal engine parts matches the engineering specs for that motor.

So, aren't all Porsche engines "balanced" and "blueprinted" at the factory?

[ChrisBennet]

Originally posted by Superman
What's all this business about "balanced" and "blueprinted?" I thought that balanced meant balanced (they way any self-respecting crank, rods and pistons (and flywheels, etc) leave a machine shop. And I thought that "blueprinted" means that the measurements of the internal engine parts matches the engineering specs for that motor.

So, aren't all Porsche engines "balanced" and "blueprinted" at the factory?

That is my understanding. B&Bing isn't going to make much of a difference on the finely toleranced 3.2 motor. The factory specs for rod weights is something like 9 grams but in practice I think they were under 2 grams difference. (It cost them nothing to this so why not? Just pick all the rods from the same weight bin.) Some lighter intake valves and a slightly higher rev limit (but not stronger rod bolts...). They sold poorly over here because they were essentially a delete option car that Porsche priced like a loaded model.
-Chris

[pwd72s]

They sold poorly over here because they were essentially a delete option car that Porsche priced like a loaded model.
-Chris

Chris? You said a LOT in that one sentence...and it goes beyond the "club sport" string. Why does Porsche have a talent to charge for deletions? IMHO, because they get away with it......

[andyu911]

How about body color/s? for CS? I thought they are all white without undercoat.
Andy
'87 Carrera