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JJ 911SC 09-12-2011 03:43 PM

[QUOTE=sabeo.m;6250540]... I did have a little bit of a clearance problem. It worked out as soon as I removed the valence.

+1

I removed the muffler (MK 2 in/2 out was waiting to go in) and the valence.

efhughes3 09-12-2011 04:03 PM

I've never needed to remove my bumper.

sabeo.m 09-12-2011 04:28 PM

I didn't have a problem in the front, but now that I have installed the chin spoiler there' s a rear lift problem. So I would imagine in order to lift 39 inches I would have to remove the chin spoiler. I personally would not want to remove the rear bumper or valence...

arbita1 09-12-2011 04:32 PM

I got my borrowed oil line wrench today and gave it a quick try. The wrench is shorter than I had thought it would be and doesn't give enough leverage to crack the nut. It's really on there tight. Truthfully, since I'm going to be replacing the oil lines for the back dated ones (putting on SSI's), I might just cut the rubber hose where it connects to the hard line so I can at least drop the engine for now and then figure out how I'm going to deal with the nut on the thermostat.

sabeo.m 09-12-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 6250849)
I got my borrowed oil line wrench today and gave it a quick try. The wrench is shorter than I had thought it would be and doesn't give enough leverage to crack the nut. It's really on there tight. Truthfully, since I'm going to be replacing the oil lines for the back dated ones (putting on SSI's), I might just cut the rubber hose where it connects to the hard line so I can at least drop the engine for now and then figure out how I'm going to deal with the nut on the thermostat.

Kano Kroil penetrating oil and set of oil line wrenches from our host should do the trick. Best set of wrenches I've purchased so far, perfect for thermostat.

JJ 911SC 09-12-2011 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 6250849)
... and then figure out how I'm going to deal with the nut on the thermostat.

Did the SSI update. I end up taking the easy way out by removing the whole lines out (back to front no front cooler, just a loop), removing the 2 lines from the thermostat on the ground is a lot easier.

When you put the 2 new lines, you start with the inboard one, plenty of room to put a normal wrench and then do the outside one.

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efhughes3 09-12-2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sabeo.m (Post 6250838)
I didn't have a problem in the front, but now that I have installed the chin spoiler there' s a rear lift problem. So I would imagine in order to lift 39 inches I would have to remove the chin spoiler. I personally would not want to remove the rear bumper or valence...

I have never had a problem with the front factory spoiler.

BrokeMyCar 09-12-2011 06:44 PM

Just had that problem! Check this out for ideas (and ultimately what worked for me) on that pesky oil line:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/628745-first-drop-stuck-hard-oil-line.html#post6242468

arbita1 09-16-2011 02:10 PM

It's out! It really wasn't very hard at all. Ed's method of dropping the front to bring up the rear worked perfectly. It took me around 6-7 hours over two days. Now thd real fun begins.

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Thanks for all the help.

sabeo.m 09-16-2011 02:26 PM

Good work, congrats! Mine will be coming out soon again, to button up some minor leaks.

911Freak 09-16-2011 02:26 PM

Awesome Matt! Job well done and you remembered the picture

What are the plans? Quick reseal etc?

cheers
Jason

efhughes3 09-16-2011 02:39 PM

Good job!

carreradpt 09-16-2011 04:40 PM

When you guys say to lower the front to raise the back, how are you lowering the front? It's on stands all around, are you lowering from side to side and notching down the stands at the front until the wheels are on the ground?

arbita1 09-16-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 911Freak (Post 6258371)
Awesome Matt! Job well done and you remembered the picture

What are the plans? Quick reseal etc?

cheers
Jason

I'm doing the following: installing a rebuilt transmission, new clutch, sealing up some oil leaks, replacing some CIS items, and doing SSI upgrade.

arbita1 09-16-2011 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911Freak (Post 6258371)
Awesome Matt! Job well done and you remembered the picture

What are the plans? Quick reseal etc?

cheers
Jason

Quote:

Originally Posted by carreradpt (Post 6258570)
When you guys say to lower the front to raise the back, how are you lowering the front? It's on stands all around, are you lowering from side to side and notching down the stands at the front until the wheels are on the ground?

Yes, I lifted from the front corner to lift the front. I lowered incrementally until the front wheels were on the ground.

efhughes3 09-16-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by carreradpt (Post 6258570)
When you guys say to lower the front to raise the back, how are you lowering the front? It's on stands all around, are you lowering from side to side and notching down the stands at the front until the wheels are on the ground?

No, you only need to come in from one side-in front of a wheel at an angle-to pick up a front t-bar mount. The front is quite stiff jacking from one side, which is pretty far inboard.

arbita1 09-22-2011 04:37 AM

Made some progress with stripping down the engine. I think I'm about ready to put it on the engine stand so I can start cleaning (it's really dirty) and working on the SSI's.

I'm not sure how I'm getting it up there yet, my original plan didn't work. Two of my neighbors offered to help me lift it, and with the engine stripped it's really not that heavy. I think if one person used the engine yoke and the other two each held onto where the motor mounts are on the rear, I think it would be relatively easy to lift.

I took a photo of one of my intakes. I'm not sure what I should expect to see, but they look really clean to me.

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JJ 911SC 09-22-2011 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 6268311)
... I'm not sure how I'm getting it up there yet, my original plan didn't work. Two of my neighbors offered to help me lift it, and with the engine stripped it's really not that heavy. I think if one person used the engine yoke and the other two each held onto where the motor mounts are on the rear, I think it would be relatively easy to lift...

3 is fine. We were 4 to do one for a friend and the 4 persons would have been in the way. He end-up holding the engine stand.

Before doing the Valve adjusment, putting the SSIs on or the air intake, I used a shop vac to sucks the intakes/outakes. Once at Z1, once at Z1 + 120 & once at Z1 + 240.

Save me from open her up last week as I drop a bold & washer while removing the Air Intake. Found the washer but not the bolt. Suck all the intake and heard the bold going into the canister when I suck #2 intake :eek::eek::eek:

Good idea to clean the cannister before you do it as I has to sift through a bunch of dust twice before finding it.

efhughes3 09-22-2011 07:38 AM

I've done it with a friend and myself, so 3 should be good.

RWebb 09-22-2011 10:53 AM

or you can jack it up (while steadying it); sit some blocks under it; then repeat with the jack on a block, etc. etc.

arbita1 09-24-2011 11:48 AM

Finally got the engine on the stand with the help of a neighbor. My jacks didn't get up high enough. I think I'm going to make som sort of platform on wheels that will get it up to the right height with my atv jack. Now to start cleaning.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1316893722.jpg

efhughes3 09-24-2011 12:27 PM

Buy stock in your favorite brake cleaner Manufacturer now! I found that drop cloths from Home Depot or Lowes-they are plastic on one side and fibrous/absorbent on the other-work like a diaper to catch and contain the runoff. Also, a plastic drip Pam sitting under the motor on the stand base-stuck on with double sided tape-helps too.

arbita1 09-24-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by efhughes3 (Post 6273072)
Buy stock in your favorite brake cleaner Manufacturer now!

Is that what you recommend? Brake cleaner? I have a bottle of Zep degreaser that I was going to try. Is the brake cleaner better?

efhughes3 09-24-2011 12:59 PM

That's fine for exterior, I suppose. You just need to be careful about residue on some of those. I used brake cleaner, but that was my preference, and what I used on the internals.

timmy2 09-24-2011 02:34 PM

Nice work. Mines been out for a while, nicely cleaned up then I found this!:eek:

Lot's left to get the remainder of the broken head stud out. I hope the rest don't do this...

Time to order more tools and parts from our Host!

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RWebb 09-24-2011 04:06 PM

use the degreaser first

arbita1 11-11-2011 02:01 AM

Engine work is finally done. I didn't do nearly as much cleaning and cosmetic work as i had originally planned. Time was.a factor. Just what I did took almost two months. Plus, I now know that cylinders 4 and 5 have bad rings because there is oil in the exhaust ports. So eventually a rebuild will be in order. I.figure I'll do all that at that point. Now just need to connect.the rebuilt transmission, get it back in the car, and pray it runs!

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JJ 911SC 11-11-2011 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by arbita1 (Post 6364676)
...and pray it runs!

Did that along with cranking her without the ignition cable to get the oil pressure up, put the wife behind the wheel so I that I could check the back and she started on the second try. Then I had a few beer.

Good luck

wildcat077 11-11-2011 09:08 AM

Hey,

I feel for you ... i just reinstalled my engine last weekend after removing it to replace my exploding rubber centered clutch disc !
I couldn't believe how much caked on crap was on the engine and gearbox,it took me at least an extra two weeks on and off between waiting for tools and parts to get it somewhat clean !!!

I fired it up two days ago and all is well.What scared me a bit was my first valve adjustment but the engine runs nice and smooth now !
I basically posted the same pics as you in the Rennlist Canada forum :)

Cheers !
Phil

JJ 911SC 11-11-2011 09:33 AM

Phil

Good for you. With the Indian Summer you guys are enjoying, I hope you had it out.

By the time I get back, I'll be lucky if there is no snow. There will be beer in the fridge for you and Danny whenever you guys come-up.

Matt

I'm sure it will go well.

Cheers

J.J.

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arbita1 11-19-2011 04:40 PM

I'm done! I finished up today. And it actually runs and drives. I have to admit, the whole time I was.panicking inside my head that something was going to get messed up. I pretty much resolved myself that I would be pushing it back in the garage once I was done and trying to figure out what was screwed up next year. I have no confidence in myself.

The new clutch feels great. It is so much lighter. The rebuilt transmission (which I rebuilt about 2 years ago and finaly installed) also feels great. Another thing i cant believe worked out. No more grinding into first. The monty muffler with the SSI's (actually they are the Dansk version) sound great. And I can definitely feel the diffrence.

It's been a great day. Thanks alll for the help.

zippy_gg 11-19-2011 05:25 PM

I guess you can't say it enough... like twice! :D
Congrats Matt on a job that is both complete and well done!;)

JJ 911SC 11-20-2011 07:12 AM

Matt

Great but what are you doing on line (right now) as oppose to be out on the road :D

Didn't it fell great when you heard the engine go.

Have Fun

JJ

arbita1 11-20-2011 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ 911SC (Post 6382083)
Matt

Great but what are you doing on line (right now) as oppose to be out on the road :D

Didn't it fell great when you heard the engine go.

Have Fun

JJ

I still have to adjust the fuel/air mixture, idle, etc. And I want to see if I can get the shift coupler adjusted a bit better.

But after spending about 6 hours working on the car yesterday, I need a break today. Maybe next week.

Yes...it felt great to hear the engine start. And even better when I put it in gear and it started moving.

JJ 911SC 11-20-2011 08:28 AM

Matt

I just envy the opportunity :(

While they have been breaking record high temperature back home, I've been "stuck" in England for 3 weeks and got another 3 to go. I'm hoping that there will be no snow when I get back so I can spend some quality time before she hibernate :)

wildcat077 11-20-2011 09:13 AM

Hey JJ,

Still in England ... hey ... lol
Got my car running again since last Sunday and we had a nice week so i put on a few miles with my new clutch.I'm off all next week so hopefully it won't snow :)

I'm already planning for the Winter upgrades,woooohoooo !!!

Matt,
Good to see you got your car mobile again :) it sure is a nice accomplishment after seeing the engine out and all the associated work involved,the next engine drop will surely be a charm !!!

Cheers guys !
Phil


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