Nice '71 S -- Interesting

1969_911S · 03-15-2002, 03:36 PM

Did you guys see this '71 "S"?

If it were a '72, I'd be off to figuring out how to finance it, sell mine and convince the wife. Probably in that order too.

http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?UV=119060913209_28322584303&US=0&collid=22929764103

724doorE · 03-15-2002, 03:47 PM

If you were truely afflicted, you would simply buy the 71, keep your 69 and then tell the wife when the first bill came in!

Dennis H.

72 911E

pwd72s · 03-15-2002, 04:07 PM

WOW! A re-do on a 30,000 mile car...and looks like it was a correct re-do! Beautiful car. I just passed the link on to Cris...it'll be interesting to see what he says. Probably that it would be a good basic platform for a bit of hot rodding, R Gruppe style.

1969_911S · 03-15-2002, 04:49 PM

I want an Orange '72 S coupe -- straight stock, except for 2.7 RS spec motor. Restored, near concours, etc. I'll find it eventually. If I give up after a few years, I'll break down and pay to restore one.

Ronbo · 03-15-2002, 04:56 PM

He says the original owners repainted the car in '72. Why would anyone repaint a 1 year old car? Same color too.

pwd72s · 03-15-2002, 05:07 PM

Good question Ronbo. May be that I have the answer. In the early years, '71-'73, factory clearcoat silver was, frankly, a factory foulup. On many cars, the clear turned yellowish, like an old varnish, and cracked as well. So, under warranty, repaints were ordered. Under this warranty deal, they did not do the doorjams. What has me puzzzled is the "repro" front hood emblem on this car. My car a '72, but the original still looks good...after all these years. So does the original paint....and my baby has 48,000 on her clock!

CRIS HUERGAS · 03-15-2002, 05:14 PM

Paul,

silver 70-71 S with the 2.2 high strung motor would be on my wish list, right up there with the 72-73 S. But for $44k, I'd save up about another $10-$15k and find an RS. This car has been for sale for almost two years w/o any takers. As nice as it is, I don't think there's any buyers for a $44k 2.2 S unless it was put into storage and well preserved and for that kind of money, I'm inclined to think that the collector who will pursue this kind of car would expect a real low mileage (under 25K miles max), fully loaded and very original unrestored example. I can tell you that the black 73 911S which was for sale for a long time recently exchanged hands and the new owner who owns another much desired early 911 is a newbie in R Gruppe. Not sure what it went for, I didn't ask and maybe I'll never find out. But to be honest with you, the only other early 911S (other than yours) that I think would be in that $40k plus range, should the owner decide to sell it, is a Euro model 72S coupe with original 26,000 kilometers on the odometer (read 16k miles). Unfortunately, the car is not here in the States but in my old homeland where its owner intends to keep it to be driven occassionally, just enough to make sure its fully operable and properly exercised (if you know what I mean).

Hey Paul, if i ever hit to Lotto (I'll probably never do cuz I don't play it enough), I'm gonna come and see you and maybe, just maybe I'll make you that "offer you can't refuse". I'll need to definitely go way past the last offer you declined to get you interested.

okay we won't go there. Not today at least....

cheers,

Cris

CRIS HUERGAS · 03-15-2002, 05:22 PM

Irish Green with that Tan leather interior & sport seats, what can I say, it looks so stunning in that combination. That BUFF dude standing next to it should be proud of it wherever it goes, as it is one of the nicest one, if not the best one i've seen in over 20 years of following early 911.

and I'm not saying that because you're a friend. If you were one of those guys that called me "arrogant" one time in a previous post, I'd still compliment you just as well. But its good to see that a real nice BUFF guy owns it and most of all, a proud gruppe member and a dear friend.

now go and hug your wife for me.

Cris

pwd72s · 05:38 PM

Gosh...I guess we all now know Cris's opinion. Guess we also now know he's wayyyy ahead of most of us. I mean, Cris has known of this car for YEARS. This is the first time I've heard of it. I used to think I had my nose to the ground, sniffing out early 911S cars...Cris? You are a MUCH better bloodhound. Hey, Hugs to Renee also. She's probably the only woman on the planet to make an accurate, and loving, comment about Freeman.

1969_911S · 03-15-2002, 05:34 PM

Sounds like you follow the market. Any idea where I can find a lovely signal orange '72S coupe?

pwd72s · 03-15-2002, 05:39 PM

rotsa ruck...

CRIS HUERGAS · 03-15-2002, 05:43 PM

well I do have a nose for these early 911s. Maybe you'll remember an article in THE ESSES about 2-3 years ago about this silver 71S.

silver 911s is my favorite color on early 911s, Ivory white comes in 2nd and now I'm really sold on Irish Green/Tan. Though if the owner can get this one out of its 10 years hibernation, there's a Mexico Blue 73S coupe with 7" Fuchs like yours, sport seats w/houndstooth and real nice. At least its the way I remember it last time I saw it back in Oct 91 when it was last shown in a local PCA wash and shine event. Hopefully the owner can still find the time to get it ready for a trip down the coast in a couple of months. We'll see.

Cris

hey PWDS, you sure you can't go. I can hook you up with someone to ride with if you don't want to drive... just thinking

CRIS HUERGAS · 03-15-2002, 06:01 PM

Yes i know of one but its in Europe. Its actually the 72S which was featured in 911 & Porsche World back in 1999, Sept I think. It was an article title Blood Brothers and featured two 72 911S. One stock and original, the other, you guessed it, a liteweight yet original narrow body configuration which was being raced in the European Classic 911 series.

I was in contact at one time with the owner, Peter Rampart. His ad on this car is currently in the Pelican cars for sale. Not sure how much and all the other details, but its not a concours 72 S but it definitely worthy of being a full pledge R Gruppe car (assuming its new owner adheres to the "no ego" requirement in R Grp)

About 6-8 months ago, there was a silver 72S coupe w/sunroof for sale in your area by its original owner. I think it went for high teens and had under 80k miles but not as nice as you would think 80k original mile car would be. This was according to a friend who looked at it with his mechanic and whose opinion is well regarded by many.

If you're seriously looking and have a budget to work with, send me an e-mail and I'll keep an eye out on one for you. I'm also planning to have a gathering at EASY at the end of the month. March 30th, Saturday. If it gets firmed up, come on out and check out some of the early 911s. Not sure if anyone is selling but its a chance to see a bunch of neat cars on a Sat morning.

Cris
rgruppe911@hotmail.com

GIBSON · GIBSON's Garage

Paul, those early metallics came with a little sticker on the inside of the door if I remember correctly. It stated that the car was painted in a metallic color, all you had to do was show the service writer the sticker and you were good for a repaint. It was very difficult to keep those cars looking nice. The early 356 silver did not seem to have those problems, was it just not metallic?

Bruce Herrmann

pwd72s · 03-15-2002, 06:27 PM

Hi Bruce. I've seen those stickers. Some people removed them, ashamed to admit their car was a repaint? I don't think the silver was the problem. It was the trying to place a clear over the silver that caused the headaches. Clearcoat paints just weren't as well understood back then, and for some reason the problems really showed up when it was clear over silver...I also heard problems with clear over a light metallic blue, but not as many.

pwd72s · 03-15-2002, 07:14 PM

Hmmm. I just went through the pics on the link again. Bottom of engine pic, #30. Is it just me? Maybe the lighting of the pic? OR.. is one side of this engine case made from a different metal than the other????

Perhaps somebody with better computer skills than mine could post this pic?

Adam · Adam's Garage

Here you go!

Soterik · Soterik's Garage

I know the problem went beyond silver.....I have a 71E I bought from the original owner, with original paint metallic green, and the clear started delaminating about a year after I got it (back in 93). It's now been repainted, and it'll be back together soon.

regards,
Eric

Alan.UK · 03-16-2002, 12:50 AM

Hi all,
Reading/looking through this thread I have seen some real nice cars and while there is such a wealth of early S knowledge I thought I'd interrupt, if you don't mind with a few questions.

I have recently purchased a 1971 S here in the UK. Within the original write up the guy says there were only 83 coupes made. Well mine was number 24 of the production line that year and is also RHD. It does need some work but its complete and I'm really looking forward to restoring it and getting in back on the open road.

How many RHD 71 911S were made, and does anyone know what colour options were available for that year. Mine was originally Signal Orange but I really like the look of the silver. The interior is Tan but have you ever seen a silver early S with a tan interior, was that a potential option. Also Cris mentions Irish Green and Tan I would love to see any pics of that combination.

Also I originally thought that mine should have an aluminium deck lid, but it hasn’t. (It has the ally rear licence plate panel.)I was informed that this may be because it has a rear window wiper and hence the aluminium would not be strong enough. But the 44K car has both an ally lid and window wipe mech. Can anyone confirm this for me.

Sorry to ask so many questions but this is a new learning curve for me at the moment.

Alan.UK
1971 RHD 911S

PS. I've attached a pic of the car taken back in 1993 when it was last driven on the road.

andyjboy · 03-16-2002, 03:17 AM

Alan, the exterior colour options for the 1971 year were:

Standard colours:

Light Ivory, Bahia Red, Signal Orange, Irish Green, Albert Blue, Pastel Blue, Tangerine, Burgundy, Conda Green

Optional colours:

Silver Metallic, Green Metallic, Blue Metallic, Gemini Blue Metallic, Gold Metallic

Special Order colours:

Olive, Ivory, Light Yellow, Turquoise, Green Turquoise, Glacier Blue, Signal Yellow, Crystal Blue, Sepia Brown, Beige Grey, White Grey, Leaf Green, Signal Green, Light Red & Black

I have certainly seen early silver cars with tan interior but I don't know whether this was original or not.

Just a few observations from your old photo of the car - the driver's side Durant mirror is in an unusual position (normally this is placed much further forward). Presumably this was done to give a symmetrical position to the passenger's side mirror (which DOES need to be further back) .

I don't know whether it's the photo but the car seems to have a hint of blue in it rather than being 'pure' silver - is that the case ?

As for your engine lid, I'm sure that many of the '70-'71 cars originally fitted with aluminium versions 'lost' them over the ensuing years for a variety of reasons.

Andy Boyle(UK)
'69 911E