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e p slick 09-24-2011 05:21 PM

Too slow rpm Drop between shifts 993
 
Other than installing a titanium clutch and flywheel is there a way to quicken rpm drop between shifts on my 3.6 993 NA? Can any DME work achieve this objective?

EPS

dtakenname 09-24-2011 05:57 PM

Hi,

Why?

While banging gears, don't you want to have your rpms up there. Isn't that why they blip the throttle when the clutch is pressed down during up shifts?

Steve@Rennsport 09-24-2011 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e p slick (Post 6273454)
Other than installing a titanium clutch and flywheel is there a way to quicken rpm drop between shifts on my 3.6 993 NA? Can any DME work achieve this objective?

EPS

Hi Paul,

Is this for the 993 or a 3.6 in an early car??

Flieger 09-24-2011 08:14 PM

Generally the blip is only for downshifts on a warmed up transmission. The upshifts can usually be done without the blip since the higher gear requires a slower engine speed so the natural slowdown is working for you. The gear spacing and drag on the rotating components needs to be right, though, otherwise you may need to wait for the engine to slow, which can happen on CIS cars. If the car is like an MFI race motor it may need a blip on the upshift if the driver is not fast enough in the shift.

e p slick 09-25-2011 07:01 AM

Throttle control
 
Throttle control. Clutch/throttle relationship response. If I wanted grandpa's Oldsmobile I'd have put a Hydramatic or fluid drive in the car. Want more of a WRC action but have to run the clutch. (New Centerforce).

EPS



Quote:

Originally Posted by dtakenname (Post 6273503)
Hi,

Why?

While banging gears, don't you want to have your rpms up there. Isn't that why they blip the throttle when the clutch is pressed down during up shifts?


e p slick 09-25-2011 07:07 AM

3.6 in 1986 911
 
Steve: It's for the 3.6 conversion in my 86 911. Like I mentioned above I want much more/quicker throttle control, clutch/throttle relationship response. If I wanted the car to drive like grandpa's Oldsmobile I'd have put a Hydramatic or fluid drive in the car. Want more of a WRC action but have to run the clutch. (New Centerforce).

How are the cats? Mine have learned not to go outside, thus still live, with the bobcats and occasional mountain lion on the prowl around the house. Saw a 5' wingspan owl the other night out on a cat hunt.

Best regards

EPS


Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve@Rennsport (Post 6273510)
Hi Paul,

Is this for the 993 or a 3.6 in an early car??


GaryR 09-25-2011 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e p slick (Post 6273454)
Other than installing a titanium clutch and flywheel is there a way to quicken rpm drop between shifts on my 3.6 993 NA? Can any DME work achieve this objective?

EPS

If i'm reading this correctly ("quicken rpm drop") you want the RPM's to drop FASTER between shifts? Seems to me lightening the flywheel assembly would have the opposite effect. Now if you want to "lessen RPM drop" that would be one way to achieve it.. Tighter gearing would get you similar results looking at it a different way.

e p slick 09-25-2011 09:22 AM

Rotating mass
 
The greater the rotating mass the more the inertia and thus the longer the time for the reduction in speed of the rotating mass.

Lighter flywheel not in my budget.

Kepler




Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryR (Post 6274109)
If i'm reading this correctly ("quicken rpm drop") you want the RPM's to drop FASTER between shifts? Seems to me lightening the flywheel assembly would have the opposite effect. Now if you want to "lessen RPM drop" that would be one way to achieve it.. Tighter gearing would get you similar results looking at it a different way.


GaryR 09-25-2011 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e p slick (Post 6274237)
The greater the rotating mass the more the inertia and thus the longer the time for the reduction in speed of the rotating mass.

Lighter flywheel not in my budget.

Kepler

Makes sense, I think I had "rev's faster" = lighter in my head...

dtakenname 09-26-2011 01:16 PM

Hello,

These guys charge 160$ to lighten your flywheel, may be that works for you.

lightened flywheels

Bill Verburg 09-26-2011 02:10 PM

The heaviest 915 flywheel ever made is as light or lighter than any g50 flywheel.

If the revs aren't dropping during a shift I suspect that you still have binding of some sort in the throttle linkage.


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