whats a fair price

[mechnoman]

1979 911 sc...rebuilt trans and engine..new paint and interior..very well done professional job...thanks and I hope I put this new thread in the correct department

[mtech325ic]

Correct department.
How many miles on it? Since the rebuild? Any pictures would be helpful. Any modifications? The more you can give us on what the vehicle has and is would be a great help on guesstimating a price.

[mechnoman]

car has 270,000 km....as mentioned redone interior..new paint original colour..fuch rims...new brakes...suspension redone...engine and trans redone..all work performed by respected Porsche shop..car appears as new a nice job..owner has bills for over 40,000...has traveled about 10,000 km since rebuild...no ac and has a sunroof...state of economy forces the sale but not desperate

[Dave Colangelo]

Post some pics if you can, but maybe 25k-30k if it's perfectly prestine.

Regards
Dave

[nesslar]

.."maybe 25k-30k if it's perfectly prestine"... to someone around here?

[Dave Colangelo]

Pics will be the deciding factor but i would say no less than 18K-20K is most likely appropriate in this case. If all numbers match and the PO has all the paper work etc the value will only increase from there.

[mechnoman]

thanks for the advice so far much appreciated

[mickey356]

What planet am I on?!!!!

168000 mile car with paint and a rebuild is worth $25-$30K?!

Uh, I just posted the same question about an 83SC with all the same minus paint and this car is suddenly worth $5-$10-$15K more?

I just don't understand the "Porsche Math", I guess.

And mechnoman, I mean NO DISRESPECT to your car, it's beautiful and worth what ever you're asking for it.

[crustychief]

In what currency?

[mechnoman]

Porsche math.......is the reason I asked the question. I m considering the purchase of the car...been looking for awhile and Im a little fussy. This car is a turn key all done no b/s....look how pretty the interior is..

[Macroni]

Love the color........ The car is worth easily $15kUSD.

[timchar]

"Porsche", math just doesn't add up... If a car is basically completely restored, its worth more money, period.. that being said, the mileage will scare a big percentage of the folks here away, excluding myself. Seems they don't want to maybe replace some bearings, suspension or other things possibly excluded from rebuild. I love cars that have been driven, theyve proven their durability and longevity. I think car is worth 17-24k, understanding that everything checked out....Tim

[Packet82]

Originally Posted by mickey356

What planet am I on?!!!!

168000 mile car with paint and a rebuild is worth $25-$30K?!

Uh, I just posted the same question about an 83SC with all the same minus paint and this car is suddenly worth $5-$10-$15K more?

I just don't understand the "Porsche Math", I guess.

And mechnoman, I mean NO DISRESPECT to your car, it's beautiful and worth what ever you're asking for it.

There's no "Porsche math" involved. As others have said, if completely restored, the car is worth more. Yes, a rebuilt engine is expensive, but there are still many other things that can break. A fully restored car has had everything looked over and everything that needed to be replaced has been replaced.

Besides, a good paint job can easily cost $10-15k by itself. So, yeah a car that's the same with a new paint job is probably going to be worth more than a car with a fresh engine but semi-rough paint.

As for this car, it looks gorgeous. The paint color isn't my personal favorite, but it's in excellent shape and that interior looks brand new. Hell, a fresh dash alone is about $1000 these days.

[mickey356]

So if I bought these-
FS: SC Carrera Seats New Upholstery

And these-
FS Door panels with pockets complete set 79sc

$600-700 in replacement parts would get me to where? $18K?

Lets keep in mind the buyer would be getting the orignal 16" Fuchs, the original deck lid and would have the Rotas and a ducktail to sell. As well as the Cobra RS Style seats.

And as stated, the other car that I was referring to has 20K on a rebuilt 1st and 2nd gear, and less than 10K on a complete top end as well as many, many suspension and steering upgrades, etc...

What does Porsche Math tally that up as?

[mickey356]

Oh, and mechnoman,
That is a really nice SC you're looking at. It looks about as clean as they come and you'll be hard pressed to find one with fewer miles, they exist but not readily available.
If it checks out, I'd say buy it. Although I'm not sure what the seller is asking.

[911Freak]

Been discussed many many times....

As is - rebuilt - restored etc they are all 20k cars, period. Don't fool yourself, that car has had a lot of miles under it, rebuilt engine means little w/out recent receipts, same goes for the transmossion, differential, suspension bushings and bearings etc....

You can buy a 10k 911 and drop 30k into it and you'll might end up with a 20k 911 that sells for no more then 20k.

Only exception (as far as I'm concerned) is a fully documented low original miles restoration. The kind you'd find at Canepa's shop.

All this other stuff is over valued, propped up by a buyer who pays for a false security..... Just my .02

The old saying "buy the best 911 you can afford" goes a long way at time like this..... Just sayin

[Dave Colangelo]

Please allow me to explain my logic behind my estimate,

To me a rebuild is like resetting the engine to 0 miles. Regardless of what the odometer says the engine has as many miles as it does since the last rebuild. So in my opinion this car is a low miles car in regards to the engine.

Paint is expensive, this looks like a very good paint job that most likely cost around 7K, it also appears that the rubber trim was replaced.

The interior is pristine new interior and dash is a very expensive job say 5K and up from there.

Because it has not been mentioned any where I will assume that this car is all matching numbers (original engine and body). This brings the concourse value of the car up. With these cars they tend to fetch a better price the more original they are although this was repainted it is the same color so it still matches the color code stamped on the car.

So here is my math

0-6k rolling chassis, maybe the motor runs maybe it doesn't but the car has issues maybe rust maybe the gears dont engage who knows. You will need some experience to handle these issues

6K-12K its all there, there car runs, you can drive it home, it may leek oil it may have some quirky issues, most likely needs new bushings etc, nothing the weekend mechanic cant handle.

12K-18K Its all there, the car runs the paint is any where from good to, you can see your reflection in it. The engine has some miles on it possibly a rebuild but has at least 20K on it, the car may need new spark plugs. The factor here is originality, chances are these cars have new radios, some modifications, nothing bad but maybe stuff thats not original (in my mind Carrera chain tensioners and turbo tire rods don't count here as they increase the functionality of the car and were Porsche's solution to the issues any way).

18K and up. This is where I placed that car, I guess 25-30 was a bit much but I was picturing a perfect car, which it is, hence the high valuation. Here any thing goes. There was a 3.2 for sale recently with some thing in the nature of 15K miles on it, this car was listed for like 90K. I know that's different because of the low miles but if the car is well kept in a garage the only wear will really be on the engine, break pads, and tires. It doesn't even look like the leather on the seats has crinkles in it. A good deal of this is very subjective. And I would agree in some cases you are paying for a false sense of security. Personally I would not pay much over 20K for this car unless there was some specific reason to.

I apologize for my original evaluation it may have been a bit misguided but I dont feel as though its too far off. 20K would be very fair for this car. I know people who have paid more for less car.

Regards
Dave

[Packet82]

Originally Posted by mickey356

So if I bought these-
FS: SC Carrera Seats New Upholstery

And these-
FS Door panels with pockets complete set 79sc

$600-700 in replacement parts would get me to where? $18K?

Lets keep in mind the buyer would be getting the orignal 16" Fuchs, the original deck lid and would have the Rotas and a ducktail to sell. As well as the Cobra RS Style seats.

And as stated, the other car that I was referring to has 20K on a rebuilt 1st and 2nd gear, and less than 10K on a complete top end as well as many, many suspension and steering upgrades, etc...

What does Porsche Math tally that up as?

and a carpet kit, the rest of the interior, new clutch, fresh paint, etc, etc. The difference is that a completely restored turn key car is going to be worth a premium over one that's in good shape, but hasn't been completely restored. 20-25k for a restored SC? I could see that being a fair price, especially since the one that had been sitting in a garage for 20+ years and hadn't been started just went for what, $50k on ebay?

Either way it's still going to be a decent loss over what it cost to build.

[timchar]

I think the "Porsche math", is a little fuzzy, and some doing the adding may need glasses.. in order to pay more for anything rebuilt, it obviously has to be documented. Most opinions here are definitely on the low side of value. It's kind of interesting that so many are stuck on the miles. Tim

[Etarga]

It is worth whatever you are willing to pay for it. 15k-18k - 20k. As long as you are happy with your 'new to you' 911! After 5 years and who-knows-how-many repair bills (other things do wear out or break) it does not really matter anyway. 160k miles is high mileage on ANY sports car. Steering, suspension, everything else that moves wears out. Electronics corrode no matter how high or low the mileage is and rubber seals get old just from sitting.