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Somewhat urgent help needed! Seat belt mounting

I got a nice set of seats from a Carrera and the matching seat belts. I had read on PP that all the '69 bodies had the necessary holes drilled and tapped for 3pt seat belts because they were a ROW option.

I just exposed my passenger side door pillar. No hole. Could someone please take a good pic of where the shoulder harness mounts, and some measurements. I think I'm going to have to drill and tap this myself, I just need to know where the holes are supposed to be.

Secondly, my car has some mickey mouse rig for the lower outboard mounting points. I can't find any holes in the body in the right places. Where (in a '69) are the seat belts anchored?

Thanks for the help!

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My 69 had the holes for the inertia reel drilled and tapped midway on the rear seats. They had a plug in them. They are tapped with 7/16" fine treads not metric. Look in the rear wheel wheel. You might be able to see them there. The problem is that there is not a reinforced mounting for the receivers to mount behind the emergency brake, As you know, the 69 receivers are mounted on the seat rail. I would not add the receivers without reinforcing the floor pan.
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Here's a pic

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The seats have receivers integrated. I have the hole for the inertia reel, but none for shoulder attachment.
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Okay I misunderstood. My connection is on the pillar right above the seat. My car came with fixed shoulder belts so the mounting was already there. The center of the mounting bolt is 4.5" down from the door frame. Surprised that there is no mounting hole already there. Good luck.
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Here's a pic from my '72 as I was cleaning off the old glue/paint. The center is 4 1/2" above the lower edge of the rear window.

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All 3 of my 69's have them. Gotta be there. Don't they?

On the Targa they were behind the inside vent material on the bar.
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Dan, answered to your other thread, but mine is the same as above.

Can you post a photo of your B pillar, so we can work this out for you?

Of note the B pillar has a very thin felt like material under the vinyl to give some padding, you've removed that right?

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Dan, did you ever sort this out? I'm in the same situation.
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Dan, did you ever sort this out? I'm in the same situation.
I'm sorry I don't have any pictures, but here's how I worked it out:

The inertia reel mounting hole and locating hole were there and went in pretty easy. The pillar does not have a hole. This was a major bummer.

What I did was drill a hole in the body directly above the inertia reel and as close to the window trim piece as I could get it. I got two massive stainless steel fender washers and put one on the inside and one on the outside. I used a heavy duty lock washer and used red loctite on the nut, which ends up being in the rear wheel well near the door jamb. (I used the same bolt that would have gone into the pillar)

It's not perfect, but it works. It puts the shoulder belt rotating piece a bit below shoulder level, but it does play out the belt smoothly and retracts just fine. It also locks properly under braking, which I'm pretty sure is due to the inertia reel being properly angled. All other mounting locations were already in the car and worked normally. Obviously, I'm willing to risk my life on it. (The ss fender washers I used are 4" in diameter... I don't see those pulling through the body.)

Final note: I found the intended location for the 3pt belts in my car. It's actually on the rear deck. The parts manual shows the manual 3pt belts mounting back there and they have the strange, unique to seatbelts, threads in the holes. A later model retractable belt has no hope of reaching back there. Just more proof that my car is an odd, very early '69, car. I have a few of those quirks.

Best of luck! I'm sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I'm on an Aircraft Carrier at sea right now... We're pretty busy.

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