74 or 73 / RS or Not

[Arbola]

This was supposed to be a 1974 Carrera with a "Special" engine.

Here is my question the VIN seems to be a '74 but the engine maybe a '73. Motor# is 6630859 and vin# 9114300993 is this a '73 RS engine in a '74 body?
Thanks in advance

[jonbot]

The redbook shows the chassis is a '74 S produced between August '73 and July '74, and the engine is a '73 RS Carrera (911/83), one of 1,590 produced. It also says that engine has 8.5:1 compression and 210 horsepower @6,300 RPM and 188.4 foot-pounds torque @5,100 RPM

[gulf908]

The motor,when renovated,should be worth good money if done well.
The body / chassis,however well renovated,is still just another mid year 911.
Looks like a challenge though !!

Good luck !
Dennis.

[John Schaefer]

That could be a really cool car if you restore it. I see the Texas plate, maybe some enlisted guy brought it back from Germany with him while in the service?

[esotoracing]

Should be a really sweet ride. If it were me (and i dont wish it to be me cuz already into my neck with my projects) i would dump the whale and slap on a ducktail and loose the rear impact bumper. Thats all id touch on it after the rebuild ofcourse. But i think its a really nice find.

[javadog]

Check the fender flares and let us know if they are steel or fiberglass.

JR

[Macroni]

someone is looking for the motor!!!! Great find.

[onboost]

Check that tail also..

If it's glass over metal then it's a factory Carrera piece as well!

[fryardds]

That RS engine was originally delivered in RS 9113600873 which was/is Grand Prix White w/ red graphics. Probably no longer around but you never know.

[RWebb]

hard to believe you will not make a profit on just the RS motor

then ratrod the chassis & drop in a 3.2L or 3.6 with the cash you make

you are a lucky guy if the above is correct re the engine ID -- even if trashed that case # alone is worth bucks

[overman]

Are the rear wheels factory 15 x 9 Fuchs?

[Arbola]

Originally Posted by javadog

Check the fender flares and let us know if they are steel or fiberglass.

JR

steel

[javadog]

That's interesting. From the pictures I'd say that it is very possible that those are RSR flares, not turbo flares. They were available in very limited quantities...once upon a time. I'd dig a little deeper into the car's history. If those are RSR flares, the car may have been owned at some point by someone interesting. There may be other interesting parts on it as well.

What do you know of the car. Do you own it, or are you looking into buying it?

JR

[Arbola]

Originally Posted by overman

Are the rear wheels factory 15 x 9 Fuchs?

Yes, they are per the Tire Barn guy in Tyler, Texas

[JeremyD]

Those look like RSR not turbo flares to my untrained eye

[Arbola]

Originally Posted by javadog

That's interesting. From the pictures I'd say that it is very possible that those are RSR flares, not turbo flares. They were available in very limited quantities...once upon a time. I'd dig a little deeper into the car's history. If those are RSR flares, the car may have been owned at some point by someone interesting. There may be other interesting parts on it as well.

What do you know of the car. Do you own it, or are you looking into buying it?

JR

I own the car. Cleaned a solid 2" of Peacock poop off the car that was from one end to the other. When I went to pick the car up I had to use a shovel to dig the dirt out from under the car to get a chain on it.
Once I got it home, I vacumned about 2.5 to 3 gallons of a 5gl. shop vac of rat poop and peacock feathers out of the engine compartment. The car smells bad, but only found one wire that was stripped by the Rats.

The doors had been locked from the time the car was parked in the driveway of the seller. Had to have AAA come to unlock the car. The service guy was afraid he would break something and could not open the car, we ended up taking his tools away from him and opening the car ourselves. Thanks everyone for all of the comments.

How do I tell if the Flares are Turbo or RSR"s heres a pic.

[Drive-em]

Woah, don't leave us now!! We (at least me and a few of my barn hunting friends and I) live for this kind of thing!!
With a RS engine, big fuchs, what look to be real RSR flares things are just getting really interesting.
That looks like a real deal Euro rear bumper and a correct 74/75 Carrera emblem on the decklid would make me think there is a good chance that is a real 75 Carrera decklid.
Things that make me warry are; matching paint flag mirrors and tinted windows would make me think someone was spending money on it in the 80s.
It would be interesting to know when was the last time it was registered? Whats it got for seats?

Just living vicariously through your great find!!

[Fidalgo911S]

Finding a barn-find 911/83 motor, rebuilding it, and stuffing it into my stock '74S is a frequent daydream. Nice job.

[javadog]

The best way to tell the difference between turbo flares and RSR flares is to look at them from the side. The shape of the wheel opening is different. On a turbo, you have a more even, more symmetrical, more rounded opening. On an RSR, the front half of the opening of the front flare has a smaller radius than the rear half and (depending upon how they were mounted) the highest point in the curve can be slightly forward of center. The rear is the opposite- the smaller radius is at the rear half of the flare. The top of the openings are somewhat flatter than the top of the openings on a turbo flare. The shape of the lip is a little different also and the flares usually join the body more abruptly- the turbo flares blend into the body fairly gradually. Viewed from the rear, the rear RSR flare tapers in towards the body more quickly and there is often a poor fit between the flare and the bumper/valance area because the two parts have different shapes. The same can be said of the front flare when viewed from the front.

If you do a search on RSR flares, you'll get lots of threads to read. Here's one:

RSR vs. Turbo flares

Some of the flares shown in that thread are from very early factory RSRs and the flares changed somewhat from those shown. The later production RSRs had flares that, to my eye, look like what you have on your car.

JR

[felixcontour]

please update us when you find out more. great find! can't wait to find out more about what you have there.

btw, you said peacock, not pidgeon, poop, right? peacocks? strange!