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PabloX 04-19-2012 12:52 PM

Mystery click behind dashboard/gauges.
 
(For the search police, I did, with a variety of keywords.)

I'm hearing a fairly soft click from behind the gauges while driving the car. It sounds like a relay or possibly the turn signals self cancelling, except that the turn signals aren't on and it happens going straight. I'd say the click happens about every 5 to 10 minutes while I'm driving.

Any ideas?

vesnyder 04-19-2012 01:09 PM

I have an '83 SC but mine seems to occur more frequently than 5-10 sec. I originally thought it was mechanical - a bearing or wheel. Realized that when I turned off the car and it continued to roll the click went away. When I concluded it was electrical I quit worrying about it. I suspect it is some relay.

80-911SC 04-19-2012 01:15 PM

You may be hearing the o2 sensor notification clicking ... it should light up the bulb on the dash but it could be that the bulb is out ...

Not saying for sure that that is it with out hearing the click but its worth looking into ....

Another click you can sometimes hear is the odo if the gear is clashing slightly before it goes .. that would go with the vehicle speed .. more rapidly when faster and non when standing still ....

kodioneill 04-19-2012 01:21 PM

The glass in the gauge's expands and contracts and makes a click also.

83_Silberpfeil 04-19-2012 01:25 PM

My 83 SC also does similar. I hear it only when driving --- tick/click at 5 sec intervals (approx). Don't hear any thing when engine is shut down.

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Originally Posted by vesnyder (Post 6698409)
I have an '83 SC but mine seems to occur more frequently than 5-10 sec. I originally thought it was mechanical - a bearing or wheel. Realized that when I turned off the car and it continued to roll the click went away. When I concluded it was electrical I quit worrying about it. I suspect it is some relay.


oh snap 04-19-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PabloX (Post 6698378)
(For the search police, I did, with a variety of keywords.)

I'm hearing a fairly soft click from behind the gauges while driving the car. It sounds like a relay or possibly the turn signals self cancelling, except that the turn signals aren't on and it happens going straight. I'd say the click happens about every 5 to 10 minutes while I'm driving.

Any ideas?

Im interested too. Sounds like mine, small click about 10 min apart. its almost like a small pebble bouncing of the windshield. I figured it was something in the heater system expanding under the dash.

TV74911S 04-19-2012 02:23 PM

Emergency brake warning light
 
In my car, this "clicking" sound turned out to be a bad emergency light switch on the MS. When the brake is engaged, there is a flashing warning light accompanied by a "clicking" sound. When the brake is released, the warning light should go off and the click should stop. If you do a search on this topic, you should find a fix that can eliminate emergency brake-related clicking sounds that involves disconnecting the battery IIRC. If this doesn't solve the issue (and it didn't in my case), you may have a bad e-light relay on the MS.

kodioneill 04-19-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 83_Silberpfeil (Post 6698451)
My 83 SC also does similar. I hear it only when driving --- tick/click at 5 sec intervals (approx). Don't hear any thing when engine is shut down.

That is the o2 sensor counter for sure. Take out the tach. and you'll see it and unplug if you wish.

Quicksilver 04-19-2012 02:59 PM

If the reset knobs for the Odo and the clock contact the side of the hole through the glass they can make a click. Also as mentioned before, the glass can make that sound against the bezel. Grab the bezel of the gauges and see if tweaking them a bit makes the same click. Releasing the built up force will also prevent it for clicking for a while. My clock does this fairly regularly...

skunked 04-19-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kodioneill (Post 6698438)
The glass in the gauge's expands and contracts and makes a click also.

Mine does this.

dkirk 04-19-2012 04:23 PM

I've got the mystery click in my '88 as well...the 5 - 10 minute interval one. Hearing this has been a part of the driving experience since I've owned the car. I always thought it came from the clock. Had the odometer gears replaced by North Hollywood Speedometer and this didn't change the click in any way - still there. Replaced O2 sensor around 8000 miles ago and that had no effect on the click.

The tonal quality of my click sounds exactly like a small stone hitting one of the instrument glass faces...kind of has a sharp tick with "cup" like overtones, exactly what would eminate from inside one of the instruments.

Tiny German midget throwing rocks inside the clock?

PabloX 04-19-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 80-911SC (Post 6698425)
You may be hearing the o2 sensor notification clicking ... it should light up the bulb on the dash but it could be that the bulb is out ...

Not saying for sure that that is it with out hearing the click but its worth looking into ....

Another click you can sometimes hear is the odo if the gear is clashing slightly before it goes .. that would go with the vehicle speed .. more rapidly when faster and non when standing still ....

Which bulb would it light up? I'm looking in the owner's manual and I see no reference to that. Is this some sort of early attempt at a CEL?

In any event, in my case the click is every 5 to 10 minutes so that doesn't sound like the case. Also, I thought about the odometer and I've watched it tick over both tenths and full miles. It seems to be quiet and smooth.

PabloX 04-19-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dkirk (Post 6698834)
I've got the mystery click in my '88 as well...the 5 - 10 minute interval one. Hearing this has been a part of the driving experience since I've owned the car. I always thought it came from the clock. Had the odometer gears replaced by North Hollywood Speedometer and this didn't change the click in any way - still there. Replaced O2 sensor around 8000 miles ago and that had no effect on the click.

The tonal quality of my click sounds exactly like a small stone hitting one of the instrument glass faces...kind of has a sharp tick with "cup" like overtones, exactly what would eminate from inside one of the instruments.

Tiny German midget throwing rocks inside the clock?

Don't get me wrong, I attribute the whole thing to character.

It goes along with the time that I was driving it in a fairly back woods part of NH and gas gauge seemed lower than it should be. I tapped the glass like the WWII fighter pilots do in the movies and the gauge jumped to where it should have been. I was very pleased that I fixed something.

tazzieman 04-19-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dkirk (Post 6698834)
Tiny German midget throwing rocks inside the clock?

You've acquired the notorious "Neun-elfer"
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German elves are far different than the joyful Santa helpers of today. Depending on where you reside in Deutschland, Saint Nikolas’s helper is a devilish ghoul or a dirty kidnapper prepared to stuff children into a dusty coal bag.
..or rocks inside a clock...
German Elves

kodioneill 04-19-2012 04:59 PM

Read my lips ITS THE GLASS!

audi 04-19-2012 06:13 PM

I love the click. It's like a reality check: you're in the 911, things are good.

Mine's every 5-10 min, even did it over the winter with the battery out of the car.

msterling 04-19-2012 06:59 PM

Dang! Mine does it too. Every few minutes when driving. Seems to come from the dash. I thought mine was the only one that did it. Blimey!

flat6pilot 04-19-2012 07:35 PM

Yep, mine too. +1 on the "expansion". Almost certain it's the gauges...

I don't have an O2 sensor..

nineball 04-19-2012 07:47 PM

not sure about the 5-10 minute version but on my SC it was the OBX sensor/box thing behind the dash clicking every few seconds. there is a reset button on it, or you can just disconnect the ground wire and it will go away.

jpahemi 04-19-2012 08:11 PM

It's the glass/plastic from the clock expanding/contracting. The sound seems to come from the center hole where the adjustment shaft sits.

jp
NY

83_Silberpfeil 04-19-2012 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kodioneill (Post 6698649)
That is the o2 sensor counter for sure. Take out the tach. and you'll see it and unplug if you wish.

So, what does this mean? My O2 sensor doesn't work? Or, the O2 sensor counter doesn't work? Or both? Or something else?

I can see an O2 sensor attached to the car, but can't verify if it is functional or not.

Just asking because I'm due for a California smog check by mid-May.

Thanks!

dkirk 04-22-2012 05:49 PM

Kodioneill gets the prize - mystery click solved - it is the plastic lens in the clock that's the culprit. On a drive today I noticed the first click shortly after the cabin heat was turned on. After waiting several minutes, I put a knuckle to the clock lens and pressed lightly - click on command! There's no mistaking it - volume, tonal quality, and source location are exactly confirmed.

In honor of Tazziman, I think this needs to be termed the "Neun-Elfer Effect".

msterling 04-22-2012 06:19 PM

I did the very same thing today! I was on my way to an Autocross and pushed lightly on the clock face. I heard the same click that had been haunting me for years. The mystery is solved.

szyzygy 04-22-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kodioneill (Post 6698438)
The glass in the gauge's expands and contracts and makes a click also.

Yup, I have the same issue. I noticed I can push in on the glass on the clock and get the same sound.

Seems to happen at random times. Going fast, still, car on, car off.

NutmegCarrera 04-22-2012 06:36 PM

Dang! And here, I thought that the sound was related to the fact that I'm nuts.

Never asked because I thought this was something that people would respond to by putting their hands in their pockets, rolling their eyes and shrugging. I tend to not ask these sorts of questions anymore.

On the other hand, I really HAVE found the right group!

Thanks, pelicans.

Fishcop 04-22-2012 11:33 PM

Clock?

80-911SC 04-23-2012 01:18 AM

do you have a glass lens on the clock or the plastic lens ....

83_Silberpfeil 04-25-2012 09:16 AM

Just drove the SC this AM ~ 40 mile drive. Turns out the ticking very frequent. About 2-3 ticks per second, but very faint --- not loud.

What could this be?



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Originally Posted by 83_Silberpfeil (Post 6699529)
So, what does this mean? My O2 sensor doesn't work? Or, the O2 sensor counter doesn't work? Or both? Or something else?

I can see an O2 sensor attached to the car, but can't verify if it is functional or not.

Just asking because I'm due for a California smog check by mid-May.

Thanks!


PabloX 04-25-2012 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80-911SC (Post 6705092)
do you have a glass lens on the clock or the plastic lens ....

Glass for me, or at least the other gauges are glass.

RDM911 04-25-2012 09:52 AM

I have the same issue on my 85 Carrera. It always sounded to me that it came from the clock which is actually functional. I just figured that it was going to quit working. The click does seem to have a reality check function. I instinctively scan the gauges when I hear it.

nineball 04-25-2012 10:37 AM

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It's coming from the OXS box behind the tach and/or speedo. Mine got louder about ~1000 miles before te light came on. Pull the gauge and push the reset button.

83_Silberpfeil 04-25-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nineball (Post 6710656)
It's coming from the OXS box behind the tach and/or speedo. Mine got louder about ~1000 miles before te light came on. Pull the gauge and push the reset button.

Thanks 9ball.

Just reset? This means nothing is broken? It won't hurt my smog check test coming up this weekend?

Thanks!

nineball 04-25-2012 01:29 PM

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Just reset? This means nothing is broken? It won't hurt my smog check test coming up this weekend?<br>
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Thanks!

The way it was explained to me is that it is a dummy light that comes in around every 15k to remind you to take the car in for a checkup and potential valve adjustment.

gamin 04-25-2012 02:22 PM

All you guys are either paranoid or your engine/exhaust isn't loud enough.

Tidybuoy 04-26-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kodioneill (Post 6698438)
The glass in the gauge's expands and contracts and makes a click also.

+1, mine does this all the time, especially when it is hot outside.

PabloX 04-26-2012 12:11 PM

To follow up on this, I think mine is definitely the glass. I drove the 911 to work today and heard two clicks during the drive. They came about 1 minute apart and one was from the left (fuel and oil gauge) and sounded a bit deeper than the next which came from the clock.

Both had a tone that sounded like glass to me.


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