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Targa Me 07-05-2012 07:56 AM

Relay Question
 
Hello Everyone,
I added a fan to my (front) oil cooler and the relay is borderline hot to the touch with the fan in the off position.
Will you look over my schematic and see if it looks right to you? When it comes down to electrical stuff I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. :p

Thanks.
Larry
(1984 3.2)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1341503764.jpg

twistoffat 07-05-2012 08:40 AM

Shouldn´t it look like this. I´m confused by the extra ground at the switch

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1341506443.jpg

Targa Me 07-05-2012 08:45 AM

The ground at the switch is because it is a lighted switch.

RSTarga 07-05-2012 12:56 PM

Make sure you have an excellent ground. If not this can cause overheating.

911pcars 07-05-2012 02:00 PM

The relay should be rated higher than the anticipated current flow for the load to control. 30A should be more than adequate for a fan motor circuit.

Excess heat in an electrical circuit indicates excess current flow for the circuit components. You could connect an ammeter in series with the control circuit (switch to ground) and the power circuit (battery to load to ground) and measure the current with the switch ON and OFF.

Obviously, with the switch OFF, there should be no current flow nor voltage to the relay (86). Likewise, on the power circuit, there should be no voltage applied to the load (87a) nor current flow in the 30/87a circuit.

A short circuit in the coil windings of the relay could create add'l current flow and extra heat. Current flow in that control circuit should be quite small, 1-2A (but only with the switch ON).

You could also temporarily connect a test light to the load circuit instead of the fan motor and see what happens.

Hope this helps.
Sherwood

boyt911sc 07-05-2012 03:34 PM

5-pin relay......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Targa Me (Post 6840531)
Hello Everyone,
I added a fan to my (front) oil cooler and the relay is borderline hot to the touch with the fan in the off position.
Will you look over my schematic and see if it looks right to you? When it comes down to electrical stuff I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. :p

Thanks.
Larry
(1984 3.2)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1341503764.jpg


Larry,

You should be using a 4-pin relay but yours (5-pin) would work too. The problem I see with your connection is that the load (fan) should be connected to 87 instead of 87A. This is how it works: With power OFF, the coil (86-85) is not energized and the NC (normally closed) terminals (87a - 30) is at this position. Now with power ON (toggle SW), the coil (86-85) would be energized switching the normally closed (87a-30) to 87-30 (NO-normally open) configuration.

Use a test light instead of a fan as load for testing your wiring set-up. An ammeter will tell you the current draw (ampere) for the load. The fan could be bad (??). So measure the current draw of the load. The load should be connected to 87 not 87a. See the wiring diagram from earlier post.

Tony

Targa Me 07-05-2012 04:04 PM

UPDATE:
It turns out I had a bad relay. It was bad right out of the box.
I replaced it with a 4-pin relay and everything works great now.

Thank you all for you input.

911pcars 07-05-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Targa Me (Post 6841397)
UPDATE:
It turns out I had a bad relay. It was bad right out of the box.
I replaced it with a 4-pin relay and everything works great now.

Thank you all for you input.

Glad it's okay.

FWIW, Bosch-style relays are manufactured all over the world. QC depends.

Sherwood


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