could anyone lend me $39,000

ffilips · 07-30-2001, 02:35 PM

Any guesses how much it'll bring?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593836486

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marc weintraub · marc weintraub's Garage

I would love to, but I have to sell one of my Porsches first. Buy one of my cars so I can buy the engine. I saw it, but the freight with insurance would be a bit much.

Marc

Early_S_Man · 08-01-2001, 01:42 PM

That doesn't look like the correct high-butterfly injection stacks to me on that engine ... at least it doesn't look the same as on the 2.8 RSR in the Road & Track review!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

Rot 911 · 08-01-2001, 01:59 PM

Are those PLASTIC injection lines on an MFI? How do they handle the pressure?

Kurt V
72 911E

Thomas Owen · 08-01-2001, 04:10 PM

Maybe Roland could give us one of his famous critiques by looking at the picture.

Early_S_Man · 08-01-2001, 04:27 PM

Actually, plastic MFI lines were used on most of the racing engines back in the '60s, including the 906E, 908, and 917! Paul Frere called the group of plastic lines emanating from the double-row injection pumps "the 'tossle-headed pump' " presumably because of the random way the lines tended to go, as opposed to the precise routing of the formed steel lines!

I do not know the type of plastic used, but the walls are several times as thick as the fluid channel ... approx. 3 mm vs 1 mm!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

Doug Zielke · 08-01-2001, 04:45 PM

That's a lot of cash to send to some cat in Japan-land!
I'd make the sale dependent on a PPI by Roland and/or Warren.

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pwd72s · 08-01-2001, 05:06 PM

Those "plastic lines" ARE RSR lines. I know a guy who, according to him, bought one of the 2 last sets left on the west coast. Won't tell you what he paid for 'em, each. But...wanna talk loan? I might lend the money, but you'd have to clear it with my financial advisor. I'm married to her, and she's a retired bank loan officer. Oh, I see the number of applicants shrinking.

Elfer · 08-01-2001, 07:50 PM

I've had the unfortunate experience with this seller. This guy's a real jerk! Check this out: We agreed upon a price for a set of H1 headlamps (I was the seller). He said he would wire the money and he did (his payment option). The only problem was that he sent the exact selling price of the H1s with shipping but failed to take into account that wiring money cost money, especially overseas. Dont mind the fact that I specifically mentioned to him about adding the wire transfer fee. He went ballistic when I told him that he needs to send some more money to cover the previous fee, plus the current fee. He called me names and said, and I quote, "Is that how you people in America do business? You people are thieves!!!"
I then sent the H1s to his contact, Jeff Roush of Upland, CA, per his instructions. I think that Roush supplied him with different RSR engine parts to complete this engine. I learned that he was building an RSR engine and that he was looking for different parts from everywhere. I wont be surprised if the various parts such as heads, crank, P/C, were sourced from different engines and put together instead of an original RSR engine. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I guess, if its done right.

pwd72s · 08-01-2001, 07:53 PM

Anybody who may have been seriously interested in this engine owes you a thanks..for the heads up.

MRM · 08-01-2001, 08:03 PM

I note the last thing the seller says is that this is the last RSR engine in which all RSR parts are used.

This is either a poor choice of English words or he is admiting, as suspected above, that this is an RSR engine compiled from pieces of other engines.

ghanlon · 08-01-2001, 08:16 PM

A guy would have to be on glue to pay a price like that to someone in Japan. Not to only the freight as mentioned earlier but
the possibility of "what ifs" 3 months down the road. Even with an inspection, warranty would be a little questionable!

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Doug Zielke · 08-01-2001, 08:24 PM

OK, so the guy's probably a crook.
Yo... Warren, Roland...ya don't have to go to Japan after all!

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'81 SC Coupe (aka: "Blue Bomber")
Canada West Region PCA
The Blue Bomber's Website

Dave Bouzaglou · 08-01-2001, 08:43 PM

ANYONE considering this "motor" better contact Autofarm in England regarding it. I had a conversation with Josh Sadler of Autofarm about this very motor. Though the "wrapping" looks decent(correct pump, stacks, tossle lines, cross drilled mount, etc., the inside is not what it seems- PASS !

firecall999 · 08-01-2001, 08:48 PM

As the seller claims it was built by AutoFarm a quick call to them will tell you all you need to know.

I cant see that its worth that much though. Unless you have an actual RSR in need of the engine.

Sounds dodgy to me.

Alex

dtw · 08-01-2001, 08:56 PM

I was going to put the motor into my 'watch' list to warn any potential buyers with this thread. Private auction!! hmmmmmm.....

Though I would hope that anyone with the ability and enthusiasm to buy an item such as this would know enough to sniff out a fraud. It doesn't seem realistic to me that a real RSR engine would even make it to eBay- from the limited contact I have had with those who trade in the "ultra-rare" circles, it is a tightly-knit, highly knowledgeable group. Parts trade amongst themselves mainly- there would be no need for the handful of RSR owners out there to need to go to eBay for an engine.

This doesn't add up. I call "foul"

-d

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1972 911T (E motor) RSR replica project
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Early_S_Man · 08-01-2001, 10:21 PM

I am very confident this engine will not sell during this particular auction ... the seller is being just a bit too 'cute' with his 'private' auction ... and a big ZERO FEEDBACK! His misuse of English is not going to inspire confidence, either! This engine will be around for quite a while ... for amusement, discussion, and fun!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

Roland Kunz · 08-02-2001, 10:18 AM

Hello

There had been various stages in the RSR engines with different pumps, throttle bodys shrouding.

Funny to say the last parts, my brother still has most off the parts to make a new RSR longblock from any 7R acse engine. We only miss two heads the oilfilter and several pits & pieces. Most can be supplied if you pay the price.

The story is that most original factory parts are redisigned to work better and so noone racing with that enginetyp uses factoryparts. Only collectors jump on that.
But a full factory parts engine will not be competive anymore.
He also didn´t mention witch rods are in the engine. And how high the compression is.
The head mountet injectors indicate a low rev/output street version.

The MFI modif can be done at Bosch Trost some 1 mls ahead from my flat and most schrouding parts can be bought from aftermarked. The enginecarrier is also aviable. There is a even lighter aluminum version around.

The plastic fueline material is still aviable at Festo.
The claer plastic version is rare but black and other standard colors are no problem. They are renewed on a regular way. Plastic is used as it easyer to tune them ( the injection has to be synchronized to the intake valve action ) and they are lighter. Porsche still has the black lines also used on CIS cars.

Autofarm is a company in england with a good reputation on body restorations but I would like to see the engine made by Porsche, Ruf, Rugen or Feustel.

The key to good work is that the "old" guys touch it. The engine case is the most importent item. It should be brand new and tricked out. The wining and long lasting engines need very carefull workouts and people who "feel" how to.

There is no waranty on race engines only the confidence in mastership from the builder.
A poor made race engine is a missinvestion as it will not have power like a good made plus crash the expensive parts.

Well Obins ten questions to find a good engine builder are a golden rulein racing. You always go to the man who makes the winnning engines and if you can´t afford him then you step down or risk something.

Any good engine builder does make the initial runs ( brake in ) on a dyno and has the power output documentet.

Stored race engines are always risky and after 3 years with unknown storage the engine needs to be opend or rebuild.

Alone knowing that the engine was shiped over the sea will force that ( OK a plus if he has the airfright documents ).

My comment is that you can buy the parts to make a RSR cheaper and if the saler doesn´t proof the work quality and name someone who will stand behind his work no one will jump in on that price.

I know that japanese marked is a bit different and maybe he can sale it there for that price but the real wealthy japanese order a new built engine from Porsche, Ruf or whoever ( Well Pelican coming ? ) and the japanese are very good on price negotiation.

Grüsse

speeder · speeder's Garage

Roland is right, as always. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. If you are going racing at this level, do it right- don't buy your motor from Willy's BBQ or some e-bay kook.

Early_S_Man · 08-08-2001, 06:36 AM

Anyone surprised that the auction ended with ZERO BIDDERS? Kind of matches the jerk's zero feedback!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa
1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler