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Let's talk hi-torque starters shall we?
Had the typical heat soak no start condition last night - not a huge amount of fun. Rather than mess around with it I'm thinking, as I've had a good experience with these in my other cars, going with a new lighter hi-torque unit.
I'm a believe in supporting our host as my credit card can verify, but am wondering if the eBay units which appear identical for 1/4 [Edit: should be 1/2 not 1/4] the cost are viable alternatives. Our host will receive what every savings might be in the form of other spend.... Any experience to pass along here? Thanks in advance. Last edited by tdskip; 08-13-2012 at 07:47 AM.. |
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08-13-2012, 07:15 AM
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I bought one from Pelican Chris Seven.
They use a lightweight starter from a modern diesel car and fabricate an adaptorplate so it fits on a 915 tranny. I am very happy with it. Perfect fit, hi torque, fearther weight (only 2.7 kilos!!!) compared to the stock Bosch unit. I didnt order through Pelican for this because shipping cost, import duties and well, this one is lighter than the one Pelican sells... Last edited by Geronimo '74; 08-13-2012 at 07:30 AM.. |
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08-13-2012, 07:28 AM
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How much is labor and a replaced ring gear worth?
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08-13-2012, 07:32 AM
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08-13-2012, 07:42 AM
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Make sure you remove all the main earth straps ie; battery to body, and gearbox to chassis and give them' and the area they fix to a good clean, this will make a huge difffrence, even with the original type starter motor!
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08-13-2012, 08:00 AM
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08-13-2012, 08:05 AM
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I replaced my starter with the one from our host a couple of months ago. What I got from my research is that the Fleabay models will have reman/rebuilt parts. The model Pelican sales is all new. IIRC the unit our hosts sales is also a tiny bit more powerful. You can check specs on the IMI websight and whole buch of places sell them.
As to the chewed up ring gear I found references to different tooth counts on the starter nose gear. One tooth difference, can't remember much else off hand. I just remember that the tooth count on the Pelican starter was the correct number. Search ring gear threads here. As far as install I had to re-clock the starter on the mount to clear the heater tubes. I also had to work around the conector for the 'yellow' wire. Mine was a ring terminal screwed to the original starter. Mini starter wanted a spade connector. I ended up drilling the spade on the starter for a small screw as I felt that would be more secure than a slip on spade connector. I've had zero issues in about two months and 4k miles. J |
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08-13-2012, 08:12 AM
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I have an IMI starter.
The drive flange that mates to the trans housing broke once. Welded up and has been ok since. Then, it busted the planetary gear one time but luckily, common OEM gear reduction starters use the same gear. Last edited by Tippy; 08-13-2012 at 08:16 AM.. |
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08-13-2012, 08:13 AM
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I have had the "EBAY" hi torque starter on my 3.6 transplant motor for the last two years. Has operated flawlessly, unlike the stock Bosch unit.
The only caution is sometimes a mounting shim is required to space the pinion on the starter correctly and prevent interference with the ring gear. I didn't need a shim however!
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08-13-2012, 08:15 AM
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Anything that requires a shim, adapter or was originally designed to fit something else is not high on my list of choices.
Until recently, the parts for the Bosch SR68 starter have been reliable and available. Asof late posters have stated that the local reputable rebuilders can only get cheap crappy Chinese repro parts. My unit rebuilt a few years back has been flawless.....when it goes, I guess I will revisit my opinions. As to eBay? Well, if it's too cheap there's a reason. If PP has a good unit get it..... My concern is.....who warrants labor? Who covers the damage if a shim is left out and the ring gear gets trashed? I don't like mods that can result in big $$ Futz ups....
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08-13-2012, 09:15 AM
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Thanks Bob - agree on the considerations you raise.
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08-13-2012, 09:19 AM
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Some years ago, Ford offered PermMag gear reduction starter retrofits for most of their applications. Replaced my GT40 motor starter in my Supra ski boat with their PM starter, ended many headaches!
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08-13-2012, 09:36 AM
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So , with your 83 cab and 3.6 transplant... No adaptor, shims or adaptations needed anywhere??? A plug and play install??? My starter is a perfect fit, and has zero issues! Saves a bunch of weight in the back too!!.
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Сидеть, ложь, Переворачиваться Last edited by Geronimo '74; 08-13-2012 at 10:24 AM.. |
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08-13-2012, 09:42 AM
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08-13-2012, 10:15 AM
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Have one of the e-bay versions on my car and it has been flawless for at least 3 years and counting. Spins the motor much faster the he Bosh unit, weighs less and installation was a snap (gotta hug the trans). Could not be more pleased. Makes a cool sound as well.
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08-13-2012, 11:13 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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I don't think it spins the engine faster. Believe it's the starter's motor you are hearing spin faster than a straight drive starter.
It possibly spins the engine over slower but I could wrong.
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08-13-2012, 11:24 AM
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I got one of the gear reduction starters about 10 years ago and it has worked perfectly since then. (the big statistical sample of One...) The one issue with the install was the battery cable was stretched tight and I had to work a bit to get a bit of slack.
I switched from the stock type starter because I was really pissed that the Bosch solenoid couldn't be disassembled for service. A solenoid is very easy to service if the windings are good, if you can get it open. The price of a replacement is ridiculously expensive.
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08-13-2012, 12:39 PM
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Got my hi-torque starter from Pelican. Installed on the G50 88 without problems. Starter has been flawless for 2 years. Did not use a shim. Can't remember if I had to modify the yellow wire but if I did it wasn't difficult. My ring gear is happy and so am I.
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08-13-2012, 01:49 PM
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If some guys are afraid of the eBay starte or the IMI unit, pony up the wallet and shell out some bucks for the Tilton Super Starter. Tilton makes ultra high quality stuff and you pay accordingly for it.
They claim to have provided the first mini high torque starter back in 1981 see page 82 of the current catalog http://www.tiltonracing.com/sites/default/files/editor_uploads/files/Tilton_2012_web.pdf only $450................ 
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08-13-2012, 02:53 PM
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Da cab
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1985 Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera Sport
