84 carrera cabrio, different vin

[kaotik]

Folks,

The first letters of the vin in my 911 are different in the trunk versus door sticker and A post label.
Trunk reads WPOZZZ91zES170xxx, door jam reads WPOEBO913ES170xxx(as on the title and Apillar.)
Ebo913 is different. Carfax shows nothing funky, and seems the car is original. Which Vin should i push forward when registering the car(in europe)? As well as EPO as Zzz are used according to th red book?

[Dale Soelter]

Take a look at this link:

VIN decoder - Stuttcars.com

The ZZZ in the first number indicates an ROW, non US/Canada car, while the other number you list appears to be for a US/Canada car.

Can a Carfax offer any information about a car before it entered the USA? I didn't think so.

Also, good to remember is that much of a car's unreported history never makes it onto a Carfax report.

[javadog]

That's normal. Use the VIN number on the title.

JR

[JJ 911SC]

Back in the days, all the chassis (trunk VIN) were "ZZZ" as they did not know where the car was going (ROW or US/Canada) until the engine was fitted.

The door and A pillar VIN is the one to use.

The 9th digit is a Checksum digit so "Z" in the trunk and "3" on the door jam/A pillar makes no difference.

E = 911 SC Targa/Cabrio, 3.2
B = 911 3.2
0 = No Airbag, Passive Restrain (seat belt)

Your car is a Non ROW.

[kaotik]

Thx guys, porsche importer in belgium and customs says the stamped number in the trunk is the official one to use. All other can be to easily pampered with.
Anyway your opinions are more the welcome. I follow 911sc thoughts

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by kaotik

... All other can be to easily pampered with....

To Tamperer with... These guys got no ideas how the Porsche VIN works.

Anayway all you VIN number (that you show) matches.

Being a US/Canadian car, its VIN are the one on the door sticker, A pillar and Title.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by kaotik

Thx guys, porsche importer in belgium and customs says the stamped number in the trunk is the official one to use.

They are wrong. The one on the title, which matches the one on the A pillar and the sticker on the door jamb, is the car's actual VIN number.

JR

[kaotik]

10 days further.... Customs allowed the car with the vin # as on the title but local technical controle( yearly check) wont check the car as the vin on the customs doc (and title,doorjamb, window a style and warranty booklet) WPOEBO is different from the stamped Vin WPOZZZ. I need their approval to put the car on the road. They claim a new VIN has to be stamped by Porsche(who wont assist)

Porsche Belgium wont help as its a UsaImport
porsche usa forwarded my request for official statement to Porsche Germany
Then,it seems that a fluffy helpdesk or outside agency forwarded my mail to Porsche Belgium(d'ieteren) -back to square 1.

I'm sure it will end up ok, any tips, euro porsche contacts that can help??

[twistoffat]

Its a bit of a pain in the ass but I´ve been through the same procedure.I´ve seen several cars come into Europe with the same problem. The Cars actually have different number forms and the US sticker and VIN is WBOEB....... however the EU recognizes the other WPOZZZ number. My Car when it came in had slight problems as well but it was only required finding a customs officer who was awareof the difference to get it through customs. When I registered it at the registrations office they insist on using the WPOZZZ number. So wher the US vin for my car was WPOEB910 the Euro entry was WPOZZZ91Z

Just as a side note they actually added the US vin at the bottom of the registration papers as a side note

[javadog]

Here's what PCNA had to say about this when someone else made a similar inquiry:

"It is common for vehicles produced by Porsche AG (Parent company of Porsche Cars North America) to have two VIN’s stamped into the body of the chassis. Porsche AG produces vehicles referred to as ‘Worldwide Chassis.’ These vehicles are produced typically before it has been decided what market the vehicle is intended. Worldwide Chassis are stamped with a VIN beginning with ‘WP0ZZZ’. If it is decided then that a car is to be shipped to the U.S. the VIN will be re-stamped on the firewall with the appropriate U.S. Market VIN, thus changing digits 4 – 6 and 9th of the VIN to reflect the model, engine type, restraint system and NHTSA code (all badges and door/dash plates will reflect the updated VIN as well). You will notice that the remaining digits pertaining to the model and serial number do not change, as they are unique to this vehicle and this vehicle only."

The 4th, 5th and 6th positions in the VIN are part of the Vehicle Descriptor Section of the VIN, or VDS codes as they are sometimes called. Their use in optional, according to local regulations. They are used for cars coming to the USA and Canada but they are not used on cars built for other markets. In the VIN numbers for those cars, filler digits ("Z") are used instead. In your case, the meaning of each letter is as follows:

E indicates that the car is either a targa, a cabriolet, or a Speedster.
B indicates that the engine was built for the USA
0 indicates that the passenger restraint systems in the vehicle are "passive".

I'd suggest further contact with Porsche AG and PCNA, to find someone there that can explain this on an official letterhead. Surely someone would be able to help you.

JR

[Joe Bob]

Mine is a ZZZ ride and it was a euro delivery, then imported into the US. Gives every DMV and insurance company the tizzies....

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by kaotik

... but local technical controle( yearly check) wont check the car...

By any chance are you a Wallon and they are Flamand or vice versa???