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nvr2mny 09-17-2012 02:55 PM

How many per day?
 
I have a 68 911T SWT w/o engine/trans, BUT have an opportunity to buy an engine that is only 154 off in numbers (earlier though) than what the factory gave me for our engine number. Does anybody know, roughly, how many days off this # may have been for ours? Should I buy it due to its proximity in # to ours? I doubt that I would find THE actual engine, though that would be awesome. Thanks for your input.

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 03:10 PM

Ooops...

What is your body chassis #?

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 03:22 PM

Body Chassis # 11870138

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 03:32 PM

Well, if you did not misread (I previously misread your year for a 69...) your VIN, you got a...

1968 911T Targa (RoW). 521 Produced, the engine would have been a 901/03 with a serial # between 2080001-2081754.

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 03:37 PM

VIN is correct. The engine # per the COA is 2080535 The trans # is 2280485 (901/03). I need both. Thanks

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 03:46 PM

The Red Book does not list a Transmission type of 901/03 for the 68 911T. It list 901/10 or 905/00 (Sporto).

I'll check a couple more reference.

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 03:53 PM

I understand that the COA should not be taken as gospel truth. I appreciate your research.

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 03:54 PM

Unfortunately the engine I was referring to above has been sold. Still on/in the hunt though.

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsdepew (Post 6981912)
I understand that the COA should not be taken as gospel truth...

Yes but for this instance, I would go with the COA :eek:

If you google "porsche 901/03 transmission", they do fit the 68 911T and some of the link have them for sale for less then $1,000.

It might be worth while to check them out and if you are very lucky... :)

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 05:47 PM

How did you determine it was a RoW, and not a US market car?

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsdepew (Post 6982175)
How did you determine it was a RoW, and not a US market car?

Body Chassis # 11870138

In the 4th position:

0 = S Coupe
1 = 911 Coupe
3 = U.S. 911 Coupe
5 = S Targa
6 = L Targa
7 = T Targa
8 = U.S. Targa

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 06:08 PM

So, does that infer that all T's were RoW and not US bound? Thanks for the input btw.

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 07:03 PM

It does look like it for the 911T (touring) Targa, according to the Red book but they also list some 911T & 911T (Karmann) which would be coupe and have a "2" in the forth VIN position but not listed in the sequence (see post # 11) but in the write up they allude that the T (touring) was offered at a lower price and with lower performance (110 hp) engine in Europe.

Welcome to Porsche not so precise record keeping ;)

In Waynes Engine Rebuild books, he list the 68 901/03 engine as a European version in a 911T, so all the indicators point that your car is a 911T Targa RoW.

In 69, the 911T was available in 2 versions (Targa & Coupe) for both the U.S. and RoW

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tracycoope (Post 6982351)
I understand that the COA should not be taken as gospel truthhttp://www.popl.info/h.jpghttp://www.popl.info/d.jpg

Send me your Paypal account and I'll send you a quarter so that you can go play in the traffic #$@^&* spoofer :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

nvr2mny 09-17-2012 07:26 PM

JJ, Thanks for the schooling. Not sure about that last post?

JJ 911SC 09-17-2012 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsdepew (Post 6982381)
JJ, Thanks for the schooling. Not sure about that last post?

Spoofer that have low post and only repeat part of a previous post.

Lately they always have a Female handle.

Actually her posting has been removed but because I quote her it is still showing in my post 14.

nvr2mny 09-18-2012 03:54 AM

Gotcha.

djpateman 09-18-2012 05:58 AM

This is a much more accurate VIN list for 1968, you need both 4th & 5th digits to define them.

11805001 to 11805449 USA Coupe 911L
11830001 to 11830473 USA Coupe 911
11835001 to 11835742 USA Coupe K 911
11855001 to 11855134 USA Targa 911L
11880001 to 11880268 USA Targa 911

11820001 to 11820928 ROW Coupe 911T
11825001 to 11825683 ROW Coupe K 911T
11870001 to 11870521 ROW Targa 911T

11810001 to 11810720 ROW Coupe 911L
11860001 to 11860307 ROW Targa 911L

11800001 to 11801267 ROW Coupe 911S
11850001 to 11850442 ROW Targa 911S

11899001 to 11899020 ------ Coupe 911R

JJ 911SC 09-18-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djpateman (Post 6983017)
This is a much more accurate VIN list for 1968, you need both 4th & 5th digits to define them.

11805001 to 11805449 USA Coupe 911L
11830001 to 11830473 USA Coupe 911
11835001 to 11835742 USA Coupe K 911
11855001 to 11855134 USA Targa 911L
11880001 to 11880268 USA Targa 911

11820001 to 11820928 ROW Coupe 911T
11825001 to 11825683 ROW Coupe K 911T
11870001 to 11870521 ROW Targa 911T

11810001 to 11810720 ROW Coupe 911L
11860001 to 11860307 ROW Targa 911L

11800001 to 11801267 ROW Coupe 911S
11850001 to 11850442 ROW Targa 911S

11899001 to 11899020 ------ Coupe 911R

As called earlier :)

The Red Book does not describe the "2 in the 4th position and it does not list; 11899001 to 11899020 ------ Coupe 911R but does mentioned that the 911R was a limited production run of light weight competition cars. Also refers to it as 911T/R

JJ 911SC 09-18-2012 08:37 AM

1968 911r
 
Nice looking...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1347986170.jpg

Matt Monson 09-18-2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsdepew (Post 6982222)
So, does that infer that all T's were RoW and not US bound? Thanks for the input btw.

That is correct. We did not get the T imported to the States in 1968. We didn't see it until 1969.

Furthermore, the 901/03 is the standard optional 5spd gearbox for a '68 911T. Standard spec would have been a 901/10 4spd, but if the original buyer or the dealer spec'd it with 5spd, 901/03 would have been the box put into the car.

I owned a '68 911T for about a year. Fun little cars, albeit underpowered for the weight because of the 110bhp engine.

Regards,

Matt

djpateman 09-18-2012 09:47 AM

And a good call it was. However I just wanted the full and accurate VIN info posted. There is indeed the 2 in the fourth position, and it is out of these 911T's that the 911 T/R models came. The 911R was a different beast from the 911 T/R. I won't try to explain all the errors in the Red Book.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC (Post 6983265)
As called earlier :)

The Red Book does not describe the "2 in the 4th position and it does not list; 11899001 to 11899020 ------ Coupe 911R but does mentioned that the 911R was a limited production run of light weight competition cars. Also refers to it as 911T/R


JJ 911SC 09-18-2012 11:02 AM

They all have errors.

Are your Database accessible somewhere?

Matt Monson 09-18-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djpateman (Post 6983442)
I won't try to explain all the errors in the Red Book.

If I had $5 for every mistake in that book, I might be able to retire.

One of these days I'll get around to cataloging all the engines and gearboxes and chassis I have here and send them over to you. I appreciate your efforts to document these things on our behalf.

javadog 09-18-2012 12:25 PM

To answer the original question (anybody remember that one?) I'd estimate around 40-42 cars per day.

JR

djpateman 09-18-2012 01:10 PM

Thanks Matt, I would appreciate that.
JJ the database is not online since it contains a lot of confidential info. It is also pretty big and complicated so it does not lend itself to posting. However I try to assist where I can.
JR, I think your estimate is high; I count 7000 cars, and divided by about 240 working days per year it would come out to about 29 per day in 1968 model year for the 911 of which Karmann was making 3.4 per day.

javadog 09-18-2012 01:57 PM

I was using 9802 cars. 240 days may be an accurate number; it also may be a little high, as it took 2 1/2 weeks, give or take, to build a car and there would have been some lag time to get things up and running after the factory holidays, I'd think.

Regardless of who built the bodies, they all used the same pool of engines, so I wasn't making any distinctions on where the bodies were built.

JR

JJ 911SC 09-18-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djpateman (Post 6983834)
Thanks Matt, I would appreciate that.
JJ the database is not online since it contains a lot of confidential info. It is also pretty big and complicated so it does not lend itself to posting. However I try to assist where I can.
JR, I think your estimate is high; I count 7000 cars, and divided by about 240 working days per year it would come out to about 29 per day in 1968 model year for the 911 of which Karmann was making 3.4 per day.

I understand and I know that you do help and provide excellent info as well as our friend from the EU.

Actually, I was surprise that every time I reply there was only me and the OP talking :)

I'm also surprise that the CoA seem to be spot on for a change...


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