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I just took an old York compressor and condenser off my car. If you need them...just pay the shipping.
Is that the same or simiar to what should be in my car? If so it's a generous offer. I'm going to ask a couple of my local Porsche shops here first if that's ok. Even just shipping will likely be a significant cost on this lump.
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"Is that the same or simiar to what should be in my car?"

It is the original compressor and condenser fit to my 1979 911SC and unless the style changed , it should be correct.
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Woke up to a nice shiny (not) new car in my drive. Time to check it over and take it for a test drive.

3913_2637964044882_544906086_nsmall by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr



Uh oh! Everything was looking good till we took a 90 right at a light. There was a loud BANG from the rear. We pulled over and found the rear suspension collapsed! The left a little more than the right. Great. Now I have another broken car.

559026_2638000885803_1166329470_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr

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We only put 3 miles on it before this happened and were going really slow the whole way .



What do you think, broke a torsion bar?
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Could this have been a contributing factor?

Picture 083 by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr
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Is that the same or simiar to what should be in my car? If so it's a generous offer. I'm going to ask a couple of my local Porsche shops here first if that's ok. Even just shipping will likely be a significant cost on this lump.
Carrera's came with a Nippondenso compressor, the York is quite different.
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Rear torsion bars (springs) do break but I do not think I have seen both sides break at one time. Look for damage to the torsion tube that runs laterally across the car. Its either accident damage or rust for it to fail.

You will need to get the car in the air (or on stands) to inspect.

Bummer for sure, but it is fixable. I was really looking forward to this project build.
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I'd guess one side torsion bar broke so the other is supporting the entire weight
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Didn't expect to be doing this today

64680_2638567099958_895915655_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Disconnected the rear anti roll bar and I can move the left rear wheel up with little resistance. Can't move the right side so left torsion bar must be broken or out of its socket.

Left side is green end. Right side has a cap on it. Does this look right?

531010_2638573740124_330723704_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr

480295_2638573980130_1881793714_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr

I guess it's still safe to drive till September 13th, at least in Virginia.

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cap probrobly popped off then the bar sheered and pushed it out. go look for it in the road Its very strange that it happend on your first drive. Not off to a great start thats for sure
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cap probrobly popped off then the bar sheered and pushed it out. go look for it in the road Its very strange that it happend on your first drive. Not off to a great start thats for sure
So that's a good sign right? means the bar sheared and not the tube?

Can I buy a new cap? It's cold outside. How are they attached? Do the hold the bar in place? How deep should it be recessed?

Sorry for all the questions. I've only had the car ten minutes. I thought I 'd be posting questions about tuning the radio tonight.
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You should still disassemble the rear suspension and pull the bars for inspection. If one did break or crack severely chances are the other is on its way out. One issue that arises with the bars is moisture in torsion tube causing the bars to rust and inevitably break. There are different bar options out there but it is key to replace them both at the same time. If you only replace one they will behave differently and cause the car to handle irregularly. If you do replace them you will have to get a corner balance done to make sure the car is sitting properly. I'm not sure if you can get a new cap but I would assume you can.

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So that's a good sign right? means the bar sheared and not the tube?

Can I buy a new cap? It's cold outside. How are they attached? Do the hold the bar in place? How deep should it be recessed?

Sorry for all the questions. I've only had the car ten minutes. I thought I 'd be posting questions about tuning the radio tonight.
The caps pop out without too much trouble with a tap from the back. They kind of snap into the tube on the spring plate.
Since you were going to raise the car, you would have had to remove and reindex the torsion bars anyway.
A few things:
-removing the spring plates and torsion bars is not too difficult. If you don't touch the toe/camber bolts, you shouldn't lose the alignment.
-Check the angle at which the right side spring plate is hanging. This will give you some reference for where to set it when you reinstall.
-the torsion bars just slide out, but removing the broken piece may be difficult, depending where it broke.
-you'll probably need some longer bolts on hand to reinstall the torsion bar covers (the trapezoidal plates with four bolts).
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do a search on this site for replacing torsion bars. Since you are replacing both, the broken piece can be tapped out with a hammer, and a piece of 1/2" pipe from the other side
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Subscribed. Dave, where is the light pod from? We're building a 914 for Utah's back country. That would come in handy. I saw one on the eBay car at SEMA as well.
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We have the mold. When my brother and I bought a RS 3.0 from a guy in France, it came with the spares package. So it became the plug for the mold, and we make them.
Its three pieces; the main lamp housing, a mounting/adjuster "blade" , and the cover.
Now mind you, its a fair amount of work to install lamps, mountings, wiring. We drilled 5 holes in the hood of the car, and captured dzus springs with pop rivets.
The adjuster blade (mounted on the rear) had two male dzus pop riveted to the flange, while there were three across on the front flange of the pod.
Equipped with a PIAA wiring harness and a flat cable, we could install and connect in less than 30 seconds during pit stops
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Cool. It's kind of a 2 piece thing correct? A base and then the top section moves up and down to adjust? Shoot me a price.
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Success! My car no longer has a broken rear torsion bar (in it).

484981_2640175940178_1469788008_n (1) by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


That torsion bar be broken. It broke at the inner splines. You can see where the crack began and propagated out in a spiral. Very impressive.

198138_2640399985779_1910575677_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


That's the broken end still in the torsion tube. I guess I'm supposed to bash it out from the other side once I remove the other bar. No rust or anything. I would even say "pristine"

534563_2640396185684_1406410320_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr




Used my fancy iPhone angle find app to determine the inclination of the non broken torsion plate. 34.8*. Is that correct?

76183_2640320543793_554009384_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


The good torsion bar. Ready to be pulled. I think I am now one with this car Green on the left, blue on the right. Is this significant?

432323_2640324503892_708060734_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Lets twist again, like we did last...........oh, never mind. Couple of zip ties, JB Weld and some duct tape and it'll be good as new. (Its'a rally thing)

270172_2640401385814_1258352500_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Now I'm off to Dearborn to pick up some used torsion bars in case the rally-fix doesn't work. Ford ones will work right? But first I think I've earned a nice cup of tea.

270050_2640593150608_592360190_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Tomorrow we slap it back together. Saturday we figure out how to work the radio.
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Ouch... that hurts just looking at it. Very nice inside the tube though.
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I picked up some local used torsion bars and slapped the thing back together yesterday. I also took the opportunity to lift it a bit, maybe a bit too much. Ended up with 28" to top of fender in the rear. 27.7 in the front. That's about 2-3 inch lift. God knows what my alignment numbers are but it drives OK. I made a funky tool for the camber and caster adjusters. One ratcheting wrench, one bolt and two nuts. Worked great.

429424_2644472847598_670068537_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Reversing lights work. Car settled 1/2" after a few test miles. I think I want to raise the front a little more yet.

386379_2644475327660_1947300371_n (1) by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


I didn't get a baseline height for the rear as it collapsed but in this picture it looks quite high already. Stock height do you think?




We also removed the front chin spoiler before it gets torn off. It's for sale

252251_2642693003103_1637582976_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Found these on the door step when I got home.

481543_2642694883150_1905543305_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Oh my. Maybe these and some rally tires will make the lift seem less silly.

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And 12mm spacers for the rear. This way we can run the same spec wheels all round.


75980_2644573650118_1012500742_n by Team Illuminata Motorsport, on Flickr


Now I can get back to the important stuff like the radio.
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