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McLaren-TAG 04-30-2013 01:08 PM

Pointless thought but curiosity got the better of me...
 
In English we say nine eleven, it may be more of a linguistic custom, but does anyone say nine hundred eleven when referencing our car's model name instead? In German or other languages? Or is the 'nine eleven' method of referencing the model pretty much global?

This is Wikipedia's take on it.
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The Porsche 911 (pronounced as Nine Eleven or German: Neunelfer)

ossiblue 04-30-2013 01:25 PM

I'm only guessing on this, but the 911 was originally identified by the factory as the 901 (nine oh one) until the conflict with another auto maker who already dubbed their car the 901. The renaming simply made it the nine eleven as a simple variation from the original designation. Every other language would likely adopt their translation of "nine eleven" as a car model rather than name it according to its numerical place value. At least that's my theory.

plumb4u2 04-30-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 7415689)
I'm only guessing on this, but the 911 was originally identified by the factory as the 901 (nine oh one) until the conflict with another auto maker who already dubbed their car the 901. The renaming simply made it the nine eleven as a simple variation from the original designation. Every other language would likely adopt their translation of "nine eleven" as a car model rather than name it according to its numerical place value. At least that's my theory.

Don't think this is exactly right.... I believe it was Audi that trademarked the 9"0"1, they did not have a car called the 901 but they trademarked the "0" being their middle number on any model
So from what I understand even if Porsche wanted to call it the 801 they could not

TWOZTER 04-30-2013 01:46 PM

Peugeot was the one who was going to cause a fuss over "901"...they had many models with the "0" in the middle. Porsche changed over to 911....rest is history.

Bob Kontak 04-30-2013 02:07 PM

The Porsche 911 (pronounced as Nine Eleven or German: Neunelfer)

See 7 seconds in:

"nine hundred elf"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnkvafg_Vv0

neunhundert is the translation to german on a language translator - does sound like nine hundred, though.

McLaren-TAG 04-30-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7415756)
neunhundert is the translation to german on a language translator - does sound like nine hundred, though.

Indeed.

Nico911 04-30-2013 05:23 PM

It was Peugeot, the french car maker... Our cars are suppose to be 901s...

chrisbruck 04-30-2013 06:08 PM

Wait, so I don't drive a Porsche nine hundred eleven????

fasterlaster 04-30-2013 07:29 PM

All I know is that mine goes up to 'eleven'. :) nine eleven is the only way I've ever heard it referred to, as opposed to the variations of Porsche.

porsche930dude 04-30-2013 07:58 PM

does it really matter?

Dave Colangelo 04-30-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche930dude (Post 7416354)
does it really matter?

Hahaha

I have seen this brought up before. Remember as well that the 911 only covers through the long hood era of cars. Although the 930 number has typically been used to denote turbo's If im not mistaken all of the impact bumper cars from 75 to 89 were 930 chassis/body style (with out the turbo flares of course), in other words the 930 internal number was for all cars of that era (this may be wrong). then the 964 came out and the 993,993,997 and new 991. Although all have been called 911's the only true 911's are the originals. Just food for thought.

Regards
Dave

Amochosto 04-30-2013 08:50 PM

I had a buddy from Atlanta who referred to Porsches as Nine One One or Nine Two Eight instead of Nine Eleven and Nine Twenty Eight like i would

oh snap 04-30-2013 09:38 PM

I know in Japan they call it kyu ichi ichi or nine one one. I say nine eleven, nine fourteen, nine fourty-four etc, but for some reason switch starting with the 964 to nine six four, nine nine three, nine nine six etc

DRACO A5OG 04-30-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by McLaren-TAG (Post 7415659)
In English we say nine eleven, it may be more of a linguistic custom, but does anyone say nine hundred eleven when referencing our car's model name instead? In German or other languages? Or is the 'nine eleven' method of referencing the model pretty much global?

This is Wikipedia's take on it.

Well my license plate reads in roman CMXI SmileWavy

procan 05-01-2013 01:59 AM

In French it i said "neuf cent onze" which is literally saying "nine hundred eleven". I grew up bilingual and lived in Quebec as well as France (took me a while to get rid of my rediculous québécois accent when I moved to France, although I slip back into it whenever I speak with French Canadians...)

winders 05-01-2013 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Colangelo (Post 7416380)
Although the 930 number has typically been used to denote turbo's If im not mistaken all of the impact bumper cars from 75 to 89 were 930 chassis/body style (with out the turbo flares of course), in other words the 930 internal number was for all cars of that era (this may be wrong).

Dave,

This is incorrect. Any chassis with 930 in the VIN is a 911 Turbo (or some turbo variant). Even the "Turbo Look" models had a 911 VINs.

The 930 chassis had raised and extended back inner pickup points for the trailing arms. The rear pickup points for the A-arms was relocated higher as well. The "Turbo Look" models shared these revised pickup points.

Scott

McLaren-TAG 05-01-2013 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by porsche930dude (Post 7416354)
does it really matter?

Haha, you're right it doesn't matter, but neither do most existential philosophical questions... what does matter is that I'll be going for a hard drive later this afternoon. :D

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Originally Posted by procan (Post 7416662)
In French it i said "neuf cent onze" which is literally saying "nine hundred eleven".

That's the same with most romance languages, wasn't familiar with the germanic rules though.

If only we had the definitive answer from a German Porsche engineer from the 60's. ;)

Aurel 05-01-2013 06:18 AM

I believe the O in the middle of the number was not really a zero, but a hole to put the crank in, dating from the time where old Peugeots were started by hand.

s_morrison57 05-01-2013 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisbruck (Post 7416127)
Wait, so I don't drive a Porsche nine hundred eleven????

No you don't, its a 91 one, just so ya know. SmileWavy

A little of topic but in Canada we don't have Z 28 or 240 Z cars. Zee works for Zebra and ZZ Top but to say you have a Zee 28 or 240 Zee just sounds wrong, its a Zed 28 and a 240 Zed. Zee sounds kinda gay, not that there's anything wrong with sounding gay.... but it does.

McLaren-TAG 05-01-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by s_morrison57 (Post 7416923)
No you don't, its a 91 one, just so ya know. SmileWavy

A little of topic but in Canada we don't have Z 28 or 240 Z cars. Zee works for Zebra and ZZ Top but to say you have a Zee 28 or 240 Zee just sounds wrong, its a Zed 28 and a 240 Zed.

Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead.

Still waiting for the 'official' Germain engineer's pronunciation.

Dave Colangelo 05-01-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by winders (Post 7416668)
Dave,

This is incorrect. Any chassis with 930 in the VIN is a 911 Turbo (or some turbo variant). Even the "Turbo Look" models had a 911 VINs.

The 930 chassis had raised and extended back inner pickup points for the trailing arms. The rear pickup points for the A-arms was relocated higher as well. The "Turbo Look" models shared these revised pickup points.

Scott

Thank you for clarifying, the only reason I said that is because I have heard people refer to all impact bumper cars as 930's. More importantly the both the turbo and non turbo engines have a part number beginning with 930. 930-100-221-00 was the coupe/targa engine, 930-100-221-01 was the cabrio engine (dont know why the cabrio had its own engine, I assume it has some thing to do with mounting) 930-100-266-04/930-100-268-04 was the Turbo engine. However after a closer look at the parts catalog you are correct that the chassis part number for the non turbo starts with 911, for some reason I thought they all began with 930.

Regards
Dave

winders 05-01-2013 11:00 AM

Dave,

A 930 is a 911 Turbo, period. I have been around these cars, mailing lists, and forums for a very long time and, until your post, had never heard anyone refer to a normally aspirated (1974 to 1989) 911 as a 930.

Porsche used the stronger 930 engine cases in the normally aspirated 3.0L engines starting with the Carrera 3.0 in 1976. That doesn't give one a reason to call any of those cars a 930. Certainly the 1974 to 1977 2.7L engines used engine cases with a 911 part number. So there is nothing "930" about those cars.

Scott

Dave Colangelo 05-01-2013 11:13 AM

I must admit that its not the people on these forums that call them "930's" every one here is well educated on that stuff. It is mostly people who i talk to in passing. Ill say oh I have one of those 78 911's and they will come back with "oh one of those 930 styles I loved those as a kid".

Regards
Dave

Starless 05-02-2013 04:35 AM

I'm from Alicante, Spain. There we refer to it as a nou-cents onze ( we speak Valençia, similar to Catalan ) which is nine hundred eleven. For what it's worth.
And i've always wondered why Porsche couldn't use the 901 number when Ferrari used the 308. Peugeot had no problem with them using a 0 in the middle?

McLaren-TAG 05-02-2013 04:45 AM

I'm a native Spanish speaker, but lived in the US most of my life. Wasn't sure if in Spanish they used novecientos once or nueve once.

Starless 05-02-2013 04:50 AM

Not sure what the Castillian speaking Spaniards call it, but I'm pretty sure it's also novecintos once.

dienstuhr 05-02-2013 06:14 AM

I thought "240Z" was pronounced "twenty-four ounce"...!

Quote:

I believe the O in the middle of the number was not really a zero, but a hole to put the crank in, dating from the time where old Peugeots were started by hand.

mr911er 05-02-2013 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7415756)
The Porsche 911 (pronounced as Nine Eleven or German: Neunelfer)

See 7 seconds in:

"nine hundred elf"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnkvafg_Vv0

neunhundert is the translation to german on a language translator - does sound like nine hundred, though.

I have a copy of this series - looks good but cant understand a word of it (well maybe one or two words...)

Anyone know where there are subtitles/a translation available?

Cheers

Kevin

Bob Kontak 05-02-2013 07:31 AM

Anyone know where there are subtitles/a translation available?
[/QUOTE]

I love that series. I wonder if there is an audio translator somewhere.

Like the scene at RUF where they guy uses huge torque wrench for the cam nuts.

Hawkeye's-911T 05-02-2013 09:19 AM

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By s_morrison57: its a Zed 28 and a 240 Zed.
Hear Hear - Good point.
Cheers
JB

DanielDudley 05-02-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Starless (Post 7418518)
I'm from Alicante, Spain. There we refer to it as a nou-cents onze ( we speak Valençia, similar to Catalan ) which is nine hundred eleven. For what it's worth.
And i've always wondered why Porsche couldn't use the 901 number when Ferrari used the 308. Peugeot had no problem with them using a 0 in the middle?

It was the 901 until Chuck Norris bought one. He doesn't allow zeros in his cars.

proffighter 05-03-2013 12:29 AM

As a german speaking we say sometimes "Der Elfer" sometimes which means "The Eleven" as male...

Because der is only one, no need for the nine :-)


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