Motive Bleeder best option for brake line flushes?

[rbogh901]

Seems the Motive brake bleeder frequently, but not always, ends up recommended and has advantages over manual method, speedbleeders and vacuum bleeders although the manual method still has a place as long as one has help and does not let the stroke go beyond normal. Does the black label Motive Bleeder do anything the "european" red label does not?

[RWebb]

costs $12 to make your own

[VaSteve]

Originally Posted by rbogh901

Does the black label Motive Bleeder do anything the "european" red label does not?

Wears jean shorts and ballcaps.

[GaryR]

I need a new pressure gauge for mine, anyone know a good (cheap) source?

[JP911]

I think the black one has a cap with a swivel built in so that the hose doesn't get all twisted up when you attach it to the brake fluid reservoir. Personally, I love the Motive bleeder. It's a great device and very easy to use. If you want it to last, and to avoid hassles with cleaning, just use it to provide pressure (vs. dumping the fluid into the container).

[Ray_G]

Not only is there a swivel on the black label one but the brake reservoir cap is machined aluminium instead of plastic. I highly recommend them. I would say spring for the black label one. I can see a plastic cap getting destroyed.

[jlex]

I've had my Motive bleeder for quite a while now.... that non swivel cap is a major pain in the a$$. Wish the swivel style was available when I bought mine.
They work terrific. Easier on your MC in my opinion.

[Mahler9th]

Motiv make a great bleeder though I sometimes use a vac gun, e.g., when at the track. Motiv may sell spare parts like pressure gauges. I know one of the co-owners and he is a car guy and likes to take good care of his customers.

[rbogh901]

I'm a fan of DYI! Also a fan of paying for a reasonably priced, well sorted solution. Which one is it?

"costs $12 to make your own"

May be true but most of those stories include stuff like finding this or that around the junkyard or not. I guess you need the pressure container, (Home Depot), the tubing, (auto parts store), the pressure gauge, (?), the fittings, (?), a swivel fitting, (?), and a cap that mates with the MC. Are the (?)'s that easy to solve or do you spend 6 hours choosing, calling and driving around to save $50, ie less than $10/hr?

[GaryR]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

Motiv make a great bleeder though I sometimes use a vac gun, e.g., when at the track. Motiv may sell spare parts like pressure gauges. I know one of the co-owners and he is a car guy and likes to take good care of his customers.

I contacted them and they directed me to their online store (DUH!). They sell every single part of their bleeders! Cost me a total of $7.00 for the gauge, a new bleeder hose (mine was stained from the ATE Blue garbage), and shipping!

[MikeD930]

I don't understand these things (Motive or homemade) not in a sense in how they work but the fact that how can you use it without introducing air in to the brake system? This is the main reason why i never tried this method.

Do you bleed the air through the brake reservoir overflow then cap it off and proceed to bleed the brakes? Spilling or splattering brake fluid scares me.

[schumicat]

if the reservoir isn't run dry, it shouldn't put air in the system. it is just putting air and fresh brake fluid in the reservoir (which already has air in it, unless it is overflowing which it shouldn't be) and pushing fluid out of the reservoir and out through the bleed screws at calipers. as long as there is fluid to move out of reservoir air doesn't move out of it, the air pressure just pushes the fluid down.

Originally Posted by MikeD94

I don't understand these things (Motive or homemade) not in a sense in how they work but the fact that how can you use it without introducing air in to the brake system? This is the main reason why i never tried this method.

Do you bleed the air through the brake reservoir overflow then cap it off and proceed to bleed the brakes? Spilling or splattering brake fluid scares me.

[Mike Andrew]

The twisting hose thing is my only complaint with mine. Wish I had bought one years ago as it simplifies flushing and bleeding as I don't need the wife involved.

[David in VA]

Definitely recommend the model with the metal swivel cap. I think the hose is longer on that one too. Works great.

[GaryR]

Originally Posted by schumicat

if the reservoir isn't run dry, it shouldn't put air in the system. it is just putting air and fresh brake fluid in the reservoir (which already has air in it, unless it is overflowing which it shouldn't be) and pushing fluid out of the reservoir and out through the bleed screws at calipers. as long as there is fluid to move out of reservoir air doesn't move out of it, the air pressure just pushes the fluid down.

So there isn't a misunderstanding (not for you schmicat, I'm sure you understand the process) - it isn't putting "air and fresh brake fluid" out, it is using air pressure to push fresh fluid into the reservoir. With the reservoir full at the start it simply fills it and the line from the Motiv with fluid and approx 20PSI of pressure behind it. The Motiv needs to have enough fresh fluid in it for you to bleed or flush out your old fluid. Air is never introduced into the Motiv hose until the end when you use it to push your reservoir level down to where you want it. HTH

[vash]

the Motive is a great option if your wife is anything like my wife..the dialog between us during the process is brutally hilarious..no so much while it is happening, but more so..afterwards, with wineglasses in both of our hands.

my wife wont help me be the pedal pusher anymore. next time, she will run out and get me a day laborer..how do you say, "is the pedal in?..no out! eff!" in spanish anyways?

[Dixie]

I simply open the bleed screw and let gravity do the work for me.

[Forza]

+1 black label Motive & dry pressure method

[jsmithcds]

I am a belieiver in speed bleeders $25 for the set. I can flush my entire system in less than 30 minutes with them by myself. Bleeding the brakes takes 15-20 minutes.

I tried a vacuum bleeder and sold it after trying speed bleeders.

And no I do not have any affiliation with the company.

Anyone else using them?

[David]

I believe the only people who don't use a Motive (or similar homemade) or those who argue something else is better, haven't used a Motive. It is hands down the easiest and fastest way to bleed brakes.