Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
bcgreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: River man
Posts: 1,452
Garage
A mystery, need some help

A week ago I got the car, a '76 Carrera, up on jacks and was about to flush the front brakes. I took the front wheels off and noticed that they were not pointed straight ahead. So, I figured I would turn the steering wheel to make access to the bleeder a little bit easier. As I turned the wheel to the left there, I heard and saw a splash of fluid squirt onto the garage floor just under the front valence, on the left(driver's) side. The wheel did not respond to the steering wheel. I cleaned up the floor and didn't think there was any fluid on the underside of the valence. The next day the paint on lip of the valence had bubbled up. So I am thinking it must be brake fluid, but how did it happen I haven't got a clue, I didn't even start to get equipment ready to do the flush, and why the wheel didn't turn?


Last edited by bcgreen; 05-06-2013 at 08:01 PM..
Old 05-06-2013, 07:44 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Capistrano Beach, Ca.
Posts: 7,235
The breather/overflow tube for the brake reservoir exits below the front bumper, about where you describe, that may be where the fluid came from. I can't explain why your wheel wouldn't turn unless the overflow tube was somehow jamming the wheel/steering components when in the full lock position. Definitely more investigation needed.
__________________
L.J.
Recovering Porsche-holic
Gave up trying to stay clean
Stabilized on a Pelican I.V. drip
Old 05-07-2013, 05:46 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered
 
E Sully's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 3,973
Garage
I would think there is a chance the flexible brake hose gave out. Brake fluid will dissolve paint.
As to why the wheel did not respond, was it just the one wheel or both sides? Tie rod, steering rack, joints on the steering shaft in the smugglers box.
__________________
Ed
1973.5 T
Old 05-07-2013, 05:46 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered
 
bcgreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: River man
Posts: 1,452
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by E Sully View Post
I would think there is a chance the flexible brake hose gave out. Brake fluid will dissolve paint.
As to why the wheel did not respond, was it just the one wheel or both sides? Tie rod, steering rack, joints on the steering shaft in the smugglers box.
How much fluid would you expect to see on the ground - about 2T?
Both wheels didn't respond. In 50 years of tinkering around with cars, never have i turned a steering wheel and the wheels didn't turn unless the steering pump was out.
Will do a careful test drive once I do a touch up on the bubbled paint.
Old 05-07-2013, 06:41 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered
 
bcgreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: River man
Posts: 1,452
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossiblue View Post
The breather/overflow tube for the brake reservoir exits below the front bumper, about where you describe, that may be where the fluid came from. I can't explain why your wheel wouldn't turn unless the overflow tube was somehow jamming the wheel/steering components when in the full lock position. Definitely more investigation needed.
I stopped turning the wheel once I noticed nothing was happening and didn't think a whole lot about it and just stayed focused on getting to the task at hand. I didn't actually get to do the brakes until the next day because the front bleeders where different than the rear and I didn't have that size wrench.
At least now I know that the overflow tube is near the front bumper, exactly where the puddle was found.
Old 05-07-2013, 06:52 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered
 
pete3799's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Vermont
Posts: 7,431
Garage
I wouldn't test drive it till you find the steering problem. Open the smugglers box and check the u-joints.
__________________
Pete
79 911SC RoW
"Tornadoes come out of frikkin nowhere. One minute everything is all sunshine and puppies the next thing you know you've got flying cows".- Stomachmonkey
Old 05-07-2013, 06:57 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
76 911S Targa
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,150
When you say you were about to flush the front brakes, that means you had already filled the brake fluid reservoir with new fluid? If so, the excess ran out the overflow pipe onto the front valence to dissolve the paint on the inside.of the valence. Same thing happened to me. Moving the wheels just helped move the fluid through the overflow tube. It took my paint off too. Bummer.
__________________
76 911S, 2.7, Bursch Thermal Reactor Replacements, Smog Pump Removed, Magnecors, Silicone Valve Cover Gaskets, 11 Blade Fan, Carrera Oil Cooler, Turbo Tie Rods.
Old 05-07-2013, 08:45 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered
 
bcgreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: River man
Posts: 1,452
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Targalid View Post
When you say you were about to flush the front brakes, that means you had already filled the brake fluid reservoir with new fluid? If so, the excess ran out the overflow pipe onto the front valence to dissolve the paint on the inside.of the valence. Same thing happened to me. Moving the wheels just helped move the fluid through the overflow tube. It took my paint off too. Bummer.
No, I was just getting equipment set up to do a brake flush. I didn't have anything set out yet, my biggest concern was how to jack up the car and where to put the stands. I had done alot of reading, and then I did some more reading on lifting the car up and did nothing else. You may have a point about too much fluid in the reservoir, it may the most sense, but I hadn't added any because I knew I was going to withdraw about 25cc of fluid first.
The only thing that makes sense, though.
Thanks

Last edited by bcgreen; 05-07-2013 at 03:41 PM..
Old 05-07-2013, 09:01 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Dublinoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 784
Garage
Were you on jack stands yet? Could your floor jack have interfered with the wheels turning? Two separate things here, turning and fluid; and not related I think.
Old 05-07-2013, 09:15 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
bcgreen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: River man
Posts: 1,452
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublinoh View Post
Were you on jack stands yet? Could your floor jack have interfered with the wheels turning? Two separate things here, turning and fluid; and not related I think.
I placed the floor jacks just back of the front tires. Weird stuff. Will take her out once the touch up cures.

Old 05-07-2013, 03:40 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:54 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.