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wwest 06-19-2013 12:49 PM

Correct Trinary Pressure Sensor/Switch
 
Red Dot P/N 71R7500, GM 35899

Open below 2.81 kg/39.9020

Open above 22.8 kg/323.7600

Fan on 8.4 kg/119.2800

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 12:54 PM

Trinary II™ Switch Freightliner OEM# RD 5-4585-0

wwest 06-19-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7506664)

Thanks.

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 01:10 PM

One does have to do some crafting to get that integrated?

Physical entry into the high side and clearly some wiring time to keep fan(s) on post shutdown and kill compressor if outside operation limits. Former is my concern. Latter just takes time to configure - my take/comfort level.

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 01:37 PM

Main thing I like is that high side over 325 means something ain't right.

2 times 120F = 240 + 50 = 290 psi. Rule of thumb, right? That gives an extra 35 psi before shutdown if idling in the sun on a hot day in Phonix.

Set aside theories and arguments. This makes sense. If your system is working fine, not needed. If not, then this protects your system/investment.

zippy_gg 06-19-2013 01:48 PM

Good info and great timing for me as I need to get new hoses made.
I guess I need to add a "T" connector for the trinary switch.

brads911sc 06-19-2013 01:51 PM

Keuhl, what switch do you use in your kits?

brads911sc 06-19-2013 01:52 PM

How plug and play are these? I have a binary but want to switch to a trinary to manage my ZIMS fan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7506660)
Red Dot P/N 71R7500, GM 35899

Open below 2.81 kg/39.9020

Open above 22.8 kg/323.7600

Fan on 8.4 kg/119.2800


wwest 06-19-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7506686)
One does have to do some crafting to get that integrated?

Physical entry into the high side and clearly some wiring time to keep fan(s) on post shutdown and kill compressor if outside operation limits. Former is my concern. Latter just takes time to configure - my take/comfort level.

Addresses integration:

Binary Switch w/ R-134a Discharge Port 7/16" - A/C Pressure Switch

Discard the binary pressure switch. Integrating adapter goes right on the side of the compressor and clutch wire is close by. Just splice the pressure switch' compressor control in series with the clutch wire.

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7506756)
How plug and play are these?

Yes, need some beef.

It has got to be as onerous as installing a 6AL under the driver's seat.

wwest 06-19-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7506756)
How plug and play are these? I have a binary but want to switch to a trinary to manage my ZIMS fan.

Directly, same male connection, 4 wires out vs 2.

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7506763)
Addresses integration:

Then the fans are controlled via a hot all the time feed from the trinary?

Edit - Oops - timing overlap.

wwest 06-19-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippy_gg (Post 7506747)
Good info and great timing for me as I need to get new hoses made.
I guess I need to add a "T" connector for the trinary switch.

Well, you can...

Inline Switch Port - A/C Pressure Switch

Or...

Binary Switch w/ R-134a Discharge Port 7/16" - A/C Pressure Switch


Or just replace your binary switch with the trinary one..

wwest 06-19-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7506776)
Then the fans are controlled via a hot all the time feed from the trinary?

Edit - Oops - timing overlap.

Since Porsche uses a 20 minute time delay so the fan(s) will not run after that time period you might want to consider using a TDR, Time Delay Relay. The only downside to not having a limit on run time would be a dead battery, but only in case the trinary switch fan control section fails "closed".

brads911sc 06-19-2013 02:24 PM

But my Zims has its own power source and relay and I only have one wire coming to the compressor. Its basically a low voltage trigger wire. So unlike a traditional SPAL fan I would need three wires and not four. Right now i have this wired into the Binary but not sure that is optimal as it takes voltage from the clutch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7506767)
Directly, same male connection, 4 wires out vs 2.



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