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The White 996 pictured above is a GT3 RS so its not exactly an accurate representation of your everyday 996. The more common 996 resembles a watered down (no pun intended) version of a true 911, hence the low price point. The 996 Turbo is a different story. I think I could get past the Boxster front on a turbo model.

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What prices are you seeing for 993s and 996s ?
993s from $32k to $38k (Private sales) up to $46 for (dealers) 996s from $18k to $26k (Private and dealers) ......Im looking for a daily drive so the 996 is looking so much better for the price even at $26k
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The White 996 pictured above is a GT3 RS so its not exactly an accurate representation of your everyday 996. The more common 996 resembles a watered down (no pun intended) version of a true 911, hence the low price point. The 996 Turbo is a different story. I think I could get past the Boxster front on a turbo model.
2002-2004 shares the Turbos headlights "sunny side eggs" they are actaully better looking than the 1999-2001 models. As all 911s you can put different bumpers, wings to make the car look better.
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2002-2004 shares the Turbos headlights "sunny side eggs" they are actaully better looking than the 1999-2001 models. As all 911s you can put different bumpers, wings to make the car look better.

Agreed... It wouldn't take much to transform even a base 996 into a pretty wicked looking ride.
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Here in San Diego on our Craig's List there are a ton of 1999-2002 911 cars always for sale on the cheap! Many of the cars have very low miles and are in great shape. The main reason I stayed away from them was the interior. The cool stark 5 gauge dash went away! And the style seemed very Honda accord like. I'm sure they are a great car. Way faster than my 85. Just not for me. Now a 993 I could do! I saw one in black the other with those wide rear fenders and they just look mean !
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The 996 is not watered down. It has way more H.P. than a 3.2 car and will out handle it as well.
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I hate driving my slab sided Camry/half a Boxster every day. Some days I can't believe that I spent $20K for a really clean, low mile, upgraded, 174 MPH, sub 5 second 0 - 60 yota. What the hell was I thinking?




My 996 was that same color combo!

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I don't like the look of the 996, but I don't see a Camry nor a Honda accord there.
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I always get a laugh when people use the ridiculous term "slab sided" describing a 996.

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The 996 is not watered down. It has way more H.P. than a 3.2 car and will out handle it as well.
I am not sure why anyone would think it is watered down. Maybe because it is so civilized in normal daily driving. Put it through some curvy roads and it is a true 911 through and through. Right now they are "just another used car", so to speak. Ten years ago or so, the 912's and mid year 911's were selling pretty cheap too. I do not think the 996 prices will go up like those cars but maybe it will take a few years for the 996 to be appreciated.

Unrelated, but I passed up on a disassembled 912 for $500 and a beauty at $5000 about 10ish years ago
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Back to the OP question about 996 vs 993. I've owned both and both are awesome cars.

The 993 has some of the same flavor of earlier cars but with pretty good AC. Ride and drive is quieter and more fluid tan earlier models. Gets high grades for style and nostalgia, low for valve guide wear, passenger leg room(sucks) and cost of entry. Other minor weak points are documented and fixable. Rear tires last 10 - 15K miles.

The 996 is a much more refined ride and drive, hence the silly Camry comparison. The interior on 996 is pretty tender as in earlier cars, but is very comfortable. I drove mine Seattle to Dallas in 2.5 easy days. The drive is very good - smooth and predictable. Mine has a lot of cabin noise on some pavement due I think, to the type of tires. The car is deceptively quick and turns great. Style preference is subjective, but I've grown to love the early 996 smooth lines and simplicity - so I give it points for style, comfort, performance and entry cost. The mechanical issue that gets all the press is the IMS bearing and its potential to cause catastrophic engine failure. Replacing the IMS with the LN bearing or the new and less expensive Pelican bearing pretty much eliminates that worry. Replace the bearing at clutch change intervals and you should be GTG. As with the 993, 996 weak points are documented and fixable. AC is fantastic. Rear tires wear same as 993.

I enjoyed 4 years with my 993, but the 996 is an infinitely better car as a daily driver and much more affordable.
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I had a '00 996 and I know the comparison between it and my '87 regarding to rawness, but I'll never forget my 1st impression of the 996 when I took it for a test drive coming from a '02 Z28 Camaro. The 996 felt so connected, rough riding, and precise.

Point is, even a numbed down 996 is leaps and bounds more precise and raw feeling than just about any other car out there.

I'd love to have a DD one. Just put the Raby IMS bearing in and enjoy.
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I had a '00 996 and I know the comparison between it and my '87 regarding to rawness, but I'll never forget my 1st impression of the 996 when I took it for a test drive coming from a '02 Z28 Camaro. The 996 felt so connected, rough riding, and precise.

Point is, even a numbed down 996 is leaps and bounds more precise and raw feeling than just about any other car out there.

I'd love to have a DD one. Just put the Raby IMS bearing in and enjoy.

Theres a huge debate on Rennlist about the IMS bearing update...Didn't realize it come down to 4 different options
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Test drove a 996.2 today.....Wow... I wanted to get a 993 before ....I wouldn't even go there anymore....The coupe I drove had punch and a precise feeling all in one but with a rough ride still....reving that engine is a different feel than my 80s SC and I could care less about the SC now...Im hooked
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[QUOTE=Mark Wilson;7561135 Style preference is subjective, but I've grown to love the early 996 smooth lines and simplicity - so I give it points for style, comfort, performance and entry cost. .[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think the car is aging nicely...simple and purpose built. Again it is all subjective but the 993 does nothing for me...always looked like a frog right before it jumps.

If/when my 3.2 goes away a 996 would be on my radar..

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6 aircooled and now one water pumper. I've ranted on the water cooled for a decade. BUT be careful when going out to look at 996's.......they are a lot of car for the money. You might find yourself in some really nice rides! I ended up with a GT2. Less Camry, more bad a$$.

I love my early long hoods and even my C4s widebody, but the GT2 is just plain more comfortable. AC that works, quiet suspension and just plain comfy. Now that can be bad and good at same time. I don't know if I could only keep one that it'd b the GT2, but its fun in its own way. This is with 335 Pilots, JRZ's and a ride height that would make many customs look OEM. YET, I can run track laps without the fatigue i feel in the tb cars.

So in the end, I guess I warmed up to the scrambled eggs but still steered around the engine issues. A nice GT3 or Turbo might be the best compromise of looks, cost, performance and known engines out there in the world. Times change perspective as I used to think my 993 "turbo" bodied car was the best body out there. Now I'd rather a 965 or LWB as they are rather more attractive to my eye and can even enjoy a nice 996 now. Another 10 years and I might consider a 79' 928 but that verdict still out LOL
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I had a '00 996 and I know the comparison between it and my '87 regarding to rawness, but I'll never forget my 1st impression of the 996 when I took it for a test drive coming from a '02 Z28 Camaro. The 996 felt so connected, rough riding, and precise.



Point is, even a numbed down 996 is leaps and bounds more precise and raw feeling than just about any other car out there.



I'd love to have a DD one. Just put the Raby IMS bearing in and enjoy.



Theres a huge debate on Rennlist about the IMS bearing update...Didn't realize it come down to 4 different options
I need to research that, wasn't aware of the options.
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I need to research that, wasn't aware of the options.
Sorry I meant for bearing choices, our own pelican has a option that is priced well...
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If I were to purchase a n/a 996 again, I would install this:

The IMS Solution | The IMS Solution. The solution to IMS failures in MY00-05 M96 and M97 Engines. Developed by Flat 6 Innovations and LN Engineering LLC – the team that brought you the IMS Retrofit. Copyright IMS Solution LLC 2012-2013.
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