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Ron.G 09-26-2013 11:49 AM

Engine runs with key off
 
Here's a good one.
I turned off the ignition switch and the car would not shut off. I went to pull the coil wire and noticed my parking lights were on so I turned them off and the car shut off.
The lights seem to be back feeding the ignition.
when I turn the key off and the car is still running, the tack behaves oddly and the alternator light comes on.
Otherwise the car runs fine and all the lights work like they should.
No alarm system or hack wiring.

What would cause this? I have never had a electrical issue with the car.

1980 3.0 SC

leadrsa729 09-26-2013 12:46 PM

Sorry I'm no help here because this same exact scenario is happening to me in a 72' 911T. Stock wiring, no real big changes except for routing one smaller battery from the smugglers box rather than two big batteries from the battery boxes. Interested to see what others might have to say.

rsscotty 09-26-2013 01:20 PM

Try putting a diode in your alternator light circuit. MSD ignition has a technical article about this feedback issue from the alternator. They used to provide a diode in their MSD 6AL kits they sold.

AVDCAV 09-27-2013 05:00 AM

Diode will fix this , I think jw put a post up ages ago
That's what I read as well . Did the diode in minutes and fixed

First time I was like. Whatttttt. I was at a restaurant with a very nice suit on
With zero desire to play with my car.

Remember diodes only work in one direction.

john walker's workshop 09-27-2013 05:50 AM

i remember years ago, a car that kept running until you took your foot off the brake pedal. seems there was a single filament bulb in a dual filament socket that bridged the two terminals. can't remember what year it was.

wayner 09-27-2013 07:09 AM

I think it is a bad connection on your ignition circuit so it is taking an alternate path through your lights somewhere.

Ron.G 09-27-2013 09:54 AM

I did have an issue with the right rear tail light recently. I will go there first and see if the problem stems from there.
The bulb socket is a little to big for the bulb so I put in a very small piece of sheet metal between the bulb and the socket to get a good ground. I am pretty sure that has nothing to do with it but there may be something else going on back there. Maybe the bulb is not in quit right.

I'll pull the bulb and see if this issue goes away.

Thanks for all your suggestions, I'll get back to you shortly.

Trog 09-27-2013 09:55 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/427451-my-pmo-itb-project-7.html#post4259398

Falnaim 09-27-2013 12:27 PM

Hi all,

My car 1987 930 turbo will not stop running even after i remove the key?

I stall it in first gear to shut 's off

Regards,

Falnaim

mhicks85 09-27-2013 12:54 PM

Hi Ron, I agree with John. Make sure everything is correct with the electrical system before make unnecessary additions. Incorrect bulbs or wiring mods (alarms) can cause unexplainable problems. Did the car work prior to the bulb modification?

Ron.G 09-27-2013 01:45 PM

We have a winner!
John Walker and his wisdom comes through once again.
I would have never thought that it would be a tail lamp that would cause this.

I put one of the single filament bulbs in were the stop (double filament) belongs by mistake when I took them all out to clean the sockets.

The car shuts off as it should now.

Thanks to everyone for you help.
Ron.

john walker's workshop 09-27-2013 01:47 PM

chicken dinner!

Ron.G 09-27-2013 01:52 PM

This forum is lucky to have you John.

Falnaim 09-27-2013 02:24 PM

I always respect your answers long time ago....Thumbs up ;)

Quote:

chicken dinner!

RSTarga 09-27-2013 03:11 PM

really !!! experience trumps logic. I thought it was your ignition switch.

Ron.G 09-27-2013 06:00 PM

I am glad it wasn't. not ready to tackle an ignition switch.

DBDP 09-27-2013 07:00 PM

Wow, without the internet, this amazing forum and the answer by john think of all the grey hairs and sleepless nights that could have caused. This ones getting stored in the mental vault.

fanaudical 09-27-2013 08:17 PM

I just found a similar electrical issue stemming from a bad relay for the heater blower fan in the engine compartment on my '75. (Relay had an internal fault that kept the power on the ignition when the key switched off.)

Looking at the schematics, it seems that Porsche "daisy-chained" a lot of power and ground wiring. Single-component failures then create havoc with various circuits.


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