What type of headlights are these?

Joejitsu · Joejitsu's Garage

Hey guys, i'm sure this is a dumb question but I found these headlights and rings in a box in my garage and while I used to be into 911 stuff about 10 years ago when I bout them, I don't know what they are anymore. I want to sell them but I don't want to mislead anyone. I looked on ebay and thought they matched the "H4 euro style" headlights but again, I want to make sure I don't tell someone they are something that they're not. Any help is appreciated! Oh, also if you could tell me the going rate for these things it would help too

Joe

HarryD · 10-27-2013, 05:59 PM

I would need a close shot of the lenses. I think they are H-4s designed to be a drop in substitute for the DOT Sealed beams.

4SFED · 10-27-2013, 06:04 PM

They are not H4's... I think they are referred to as "sugar scoop" style with the standard sealed beam headlights.

Arne2 · Arne2's Garage

They appear to be Cibié drop-in H4s in sugar scoop mounts.

Painted sugar scoops are correct for US cars from '78-86. Chrome sugar scoops were used on US cars from '68-77.

I don't think they are worth a lot, but if I'm wrong let me know, as I have a pair in Chiffon white packed away in the garage. Mine have Hella H4 drop-ins in them.

Eric D. · 10-27-2013, 06:14 PM

Interesting..My 1978 SC has chrome Sugar Scoops

Arne2 · Arne2's Garage

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Originally Posted by Eric D.

Interesting..My 1978 SC has chrome Sugar Scoops

Hmmm. Is your '78 SC one of the early SCs with silver window frames and trim? I could see Porsche still using chrome in that case. But I thought all the cars with black trim got painted sugar scoops.

Joejitsu · Joejitsu's Garage

Thanks for the input guys, I don't mind if they aren't worth much, I just need to get them sold to someone who can actually use them.

HarryD · 10-27-2013, 06:34 PM

The Hella drop in units Are about $50-60 new at your FLAPS.

They are H-4 units that have the pattern but not physical appearance of the more expensive Euro units.

Either one is a vast improvement over DOT sealed beams.

Unobtanium-inc · 10-27-2013, 06:59 PM

H4 is a bulb type, and there are scores of headlights that take this bulb. I think people get confused because Porsche people are almost always referring to the Euro H4 assembly when they say "H4," but before those were popular, people were installing 7-inch round H4 lenses in their factory light assemblies. - Matt

Arne2 · Arne2's Garage

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

H4 is a bulb type, and there are scores of headlights that take this bulb. I think people get confused because Porsche people are almost always referring to the Euro H4 assembly when they say "H4," but before those were popular, people were installing 7-inch round H4 lenses in their factory light assemblies. - Matt

True that. I've been running H4-type headlights in every vehicle I've owned since I first discovered them in 1976. Well, almost every vehicle. A couple of the BMWs have used H1s, and the current Golf DD has bi-xenon...

Eric D. · 10-28-2013, 04:42 PM

Yes it has chrome around windows too.

HarryD · 10-28-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 4SFED

They are not H4's... I think they are referred to as "sugar scoop" style with the standard sealed beam headlights.

If you look at the backs of the lights, there is a removable seal over the electrical connectors. This is typical of a H-4 light. For sealed beams, there is no seal, the connectors are in the rear glass of the bulb.