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Swiftmotoring 10-31-2013 07:41 AM

O2 Sensor and Cat bypass Pipe
 
Is an O2 sensor necessary when the catalytic converter is replaced with a cat bypass tube? Thanks

KNS 10-31-2013 07:43 AM

If the rest of the system is in place then - yes.

Roger 911 10-31-2013 07:48 AM

Or you could change your chip to a Euro spec, which did not use an O2 sensor. This also assumes you don't have to pass an emission test.

Roger

Swiftmotoring 10-31-2013 07:52 AM

Thanks for the quick answers. Yes, the rest of the system is in place. The car is surging as if it is running very lean at normal speeds, it is fine when accelerating.

Swiftmotoring 10-31-2013 07:53 AM

And no, the emission test is not a requirement....

theclaw 10-31-2013 12:41 PM

If smog is not an issue plug the O2 sensor, disconnect it, get the chip mapped properly and zoom zoom.


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McLovin 10-31-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger 911 (Post 7732042)
Or you could change your chip to a Euro spec, which did not use an O2 sensor. This also assumes you don't have to pass an emission test.

Roger

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclaw (Post 7732597)
If smog is not an issue plug the O2 sensor, disconnect it, get the chip mapped properly and zoom zoom.

What "chip" are you talking about in a 911SC???

Roger 911 10-31-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiftmotoring (Post 7732050)
And no, the emission test is not a requirement....

Oops, I just noticed this is an SC, so no chip. Not sure what you'd have to do to run without an O2 sensor with the CIS. But I'm sure there are plenty of posts if you do a search.

Good luck.
Roger

theclaw 10-31-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 7732609)
What "chip" are you talking about in a 911SC???


oops.

(I just needed an excuse to replay my exhaust clip) :D

Roger 911 10-31-2013 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclaw (Post 7732629)
oops.

(I just needed an excuse to replay my exhaust clip) :D

And we thank you for that! :D

KTL 10-31-2013 01:21 PM

The O2 sensor on a SC is often recommended to be disconnected on the forums. Guys who have serviced these cars for many years just don't bother with it because it does a poor job benefitting the engine tune.

On the later Motronic equipped cars, yep you need the O2 connected or the ECU will run in "open loop" mode because it is looking for feedback from the O2 sensor and not receiving it.

Yes you can run without the O2 sensor on the Motronic if the chip is reprogrammed to Euro specs. Also some simple wiring you need to clip/jumper if i'm not mistaken? But I would think for the most part the O2 is a good thing? It's constantly monitoring the mixture and attempting to make what adjustments it can to maintain a certain lambda value, assuming everything is functioning properly. And you can have the best of both worlds with your O2 system intact. You get some economy when the O2 is functioning during part throttle operation and programmed performance when it is bypassed by design by the WOT (wide open throttle) switch.

Bob Kontak 10-31-2013 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclaw (Post 7732629)
(I just needed an excuse to replay my exhaust clip) :D

I did enjoy that.

Regarding 80 SC. Once the O2/Lambda system is even partially understood, there is absolutely no reason to remove it. In fact, it will waste gas if you do.

As Roger says, do some searches on CIS setup and member psalt recommends setting the CO a touch rich, but not so rich the 02 system can't throttle back the AF mixture to stioch at idle and when cruising. At WOT the 02 system disables and your car is like the earlier SCs w/o O2.

In 81 there is a WOT enrichment circuit that your 80 does not have. I don't fully understand the difference between the 80 vs. 81 at WOT because of this circuit but perhaps Porsche found they were leaving some power on the table?

Keep in mind these cars at 180hp are not fire breathers. Just do some reading and get it set up right and you will still have plenty of fun.

Swiftmotoring 10-31-2013 02:55 PM

Strange result when I disconnected the O2 sensor today. The surging disappeared completely. It normally takes 2 hits on the key to fire the motor, it now fires on hit one. I did notice a much "richer" smell around the car....too be expected I suppose. I disconnected the sensor with the motor off, tomorrow I will disconnect with the motor running and see if there is any change in RPM's. All I can say is it was very nice to drive around today without any of the surging that has been present over the last few years....!


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