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fitchesbass 12-23-2013 07:53 PM

Fuchs DIY Re-finishing
 
Hey All -

Happy holidays! I'm just wrapping up my Fuchs wheel re-finish project. I currently have 993 cup wheels on the car with summer tires; but given I'm now driving this car as my daily driver (including cold temps and some light snow), at a minimum, some proper all-seasons were due.

I got some old Fuchs that were in rough shape (to say the least!). I'm pretty sure some of them are not OEM (i.e. at least two I'm sure are replicas). Nevertheless, I set out for my first wheel refinish project. My original plan was to replicate the RSR style of finish with the black background... but that proved to have numerous issues in my DIY approach. The result is I went with a silver inside with a matte clearcoat and a polished outer rim/lip.

Disclaimer - I'm just a noobie that learned as I went along. I was hell bent on doing the end to end process myself. In hindsight, I would highly recommend sending the wheels out to get cleaned up / stripped, as it would make your DIY part of the process a helluva lot easier! Also, if you are a diehard perfectionist just send them out to a pro IMO.

Here are some pictures from beginning to end over two weeks I spent working on these.


Upfront before and after:

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2387.jpg


Starting out

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2157.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2166.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2173.jpg


After lots of sanding/cleaning etc. Used orbital with metal polish for final lip polishing after my hand sanding.

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2222.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2226.jpg


Masking (2nd worst part aside from sanding)

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2242.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2243.jpg


Primed and inside drying in the warmth
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2257.jpg


My simple painting setup

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2301.jpg

fitchesbass 12-23-2013 07:54 PM

Silver final coat vs. primer
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2307.jpg


Holding breath as removing masking from polished lip. This shot is as the final matte clearcoat is drying

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2366.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2368.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2369.jpg


Finished product

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2377.jpg

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2390.jpg


Tires arrived

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...h/IMG_2218.jpg

Arne2 12-23-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitchesbass (Post 7821419)
My original plan was to replicate the RSR style of finish with the black background... but that proved to have numerous issues in my DIY approach.

What problems did you encounter on the black background? When I re-painted mine I didn't find that to be terribly difficult.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1366569628.jpg

RSBob 12-23-2013 08:29 PM

Magnifico! Very nicely done.

Elombard 12-24-2013 04:46 AM

What paint did you use? Look good to me!

fitchesbass 12-24-2013 05:05 AM

Arne - How did you mask off for the RSR finish? Looks like you went the polished route (i.e. the spokes of your set is polish vs. painted). I had issues with the silver metallic paint not liking my masking - perhaps I didn't let it cure enough before starting to mask over the silver paint, but the first wheel I did ended in tears, as the blue painters tape pulled up the silver metallic. In the end, I think I almost prefer this different look for now. thanks

RSBob - Thanks!

Elom - I used all duplicolor products. After (what felt like) years of sanding and then polishing the outer lip, I used a base primer and a filler primer when needed - sanding in between primer coats. Then I used the silver metallic from duplicolor (2 light coats, follow by one medium coat). At first I was not sure the silver metallic was the right finish for me (a lot of pop and metallic fleck). Then I did 3 light coats of the duplicolor matte clearcoat and it just make the wheel exactly how I wanted them. It's hard to tell the difference in pictures but the matte clearcoat is a must to get that really flat finish inside the spokes. A lot of this I learned and made mistakes as I went, which wasted a lot of time.. but so it goes with trying a new project for yourself.

88911coupe 12-24-2013 07:51 AM

I did this project a couple of years ago but it did not turn out this nice, it wasn't bad but did not look this good. I'm inspired to give it another go using this as my reference. Thanks for the info.

Arne2 12-24-2013 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitchesbass (Post 7821662)
Arne - How did you mask off for the RSR finish? Looks like you went the polished route (i.e. the spokes of your set is polish vs. painted). I had issues with the silver metallic paint not liking my masking - perhaps I didn't let it cure enough before starting to mask over the silver paint, but the first wheel I did ended in tears, as the blue painters tape pulled up the silver metallic. In the end, I think I almost prefer this different look for now. thanks

No, my spokes are painted, but I left the lips and barrels natural anodized. I stripped all the black paint, sanded and primed, applied Rustoleum silver followed by Rustoleum gloss clear. (I was going for the clear anodized look, rather than RSR frosted.) Masked the spokes and applied Rustoleum satin black.

I will agree that the cure time on the silver and clear is critical. I had to do a couple of them twice due to paint lifting with the masking tape. The results I got were not perfect, but still look really good until you get right up close and personal.

This was a good interim step for me, but I do plan to have mine re-anodized at some point soon.

Flojo 03-09-2014 11:55 PM

Hi guys!
Just a quick question... I have acquired a set of 16s in bad condition... they have lost all of the black paint and most of the eloxy is gon due to corrosion. they must have sat outside exposed to many years of bad wheather.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394437880.jpg

So I took them for blasting this morning, to get a most possible even surface, but will have to filler them to even out the really bad spots.

Now I understand, that powdercoat does not hold fix on a non bare metal surface, so I will have to paint them.

I have regular "rim silver" for quick DIY resprays, but I think this will spoil them.
The genuine eloxy is much "clearer/lighter" than rim silver.
Can anybody tell me what paint code (RAL) comes near to the genuine eloxy color?

Thanks!

Flojo 03-11-2014 04:50 AM

no answers?
well, I can do with that. I'll manage somehow.

But what about that?
Isn't this method loosing/spoiling way much paint?
Is there an other method for "flooding" AND saving paint?
What paint to use for theis method? DIY-2K-mixture?
What about the air valve socket (retreiving it someday/tirechange might cause paint cracking?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Freeborn (Post 7347672)
Mask from the back - flood from the front, then puncture masking and drain into a bucket.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1364142254.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1364142289.jpg


Arne2 03-11-2014 04:08 PM

I was not able to find an off-the-shelf silver paint that I felt was a match to the original anodized finish. The Rustoleum paint I noted above is close, but not quite the correct tone, and the metallic grain is too coarse.

Best match I've seen is the very bright silver used by Toyota on the wheels of some of their high-end cars. The metallic grain is so fine as to be almost undetectable. I was not able to find anyone who could match that paint, however.

My results as shown above were pretty good, but I ended up sending them off to be stripped, polished and re-anodized instead. Shipped them off on 17 Feb, they should be back next week some time.

The "flood" method of accent paint only works on 15" Fuchs, the 16" have a different cut line.

Flojo 03-12-2014 06:49 AM

ok, so lets get started...

this is what I came up with:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394635558.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394635575.jpg

one try to bead blast them didnt turn aut well, too rough.
guess its because they were paint stripped already and the bare alloy didnt like it.
il have to come back to it later...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394635642.jpg

smoothen the pitting with some acrylic...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394635694.jpg

some alloy coating one one of the 7x16
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394635725.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394635775.jpg

more in the days to come...

Arne2 03-12-2014 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flojo (Post 7957593)

Wow. Yours were much worse than mine. Here's a couple of shots of mine part way through the refinishing process.

After paint and anodizing removed:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394654892.jpg

Pre-anodize polishing completed:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394654938.jpg

Flojo 03-12-2014 12:41 PM

what I do is a DIY low budget aproach to "save" these near lost fuchs.
at least: the turn nicely and the horns are 99% nice and straight.

so finished wetsanding, prepping, base coating...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394656825.jpg

my template for painting...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394656857.jpg

Festive_Zombie 03-12-2014 02:56 PM

Smart! I like that template you made Flojo, I will borrow that idea :D

Arne2 03-12-2014 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flojo (Post 7958245)
what I do is a DIY low budget aproach to "save" these near lost fuchs.

I like what you are doing to these. As you said, unless you were willing to do something like this, that set of wheels was lost. Good job!

I did the same type of thing years ago on an abused set of AC Schnitzer wheels. They turned out great and I drove on them for years. I suspect your Fuchs will be similar.

rothaus 03-12-2014 03:28 PM

I restored a set of 16 inchers for my SC.

First I used a paint stripper to remove 2 layers of paint. Then oven cleaner easy off, to get the anodizing off. I'm not sure if this stuff is available in Germany.

http://airboxer.com/images/Fuchs_16-01.jpg

Next polishing the lips, and tape them.

http://airboxer.com/images/Fuchs_16-02.jpg

I painted them with rustolium satin black 7777.

http://airboxer.com/images/Fuchs_16-03.jpg

Painted the center caps

http://airboxer.com/images/Fuchs_16-04.jpg

Here is the finished wheel.

http://airboxer.com/images/Fuchs_16-05.jpg

Don't forget to take the dremmel tool with a little soft wire brush to remove the paint in the lug nut holes.

Cheers
Engelbert

beren 03-12-2014 06:39 PM

like those caps.

SilberUrS6 03-12-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaus (Post 7958519)

Those look great. Did you also spray the barrels and back side?

Flojo 03-12-2014 11:46 PM

btw. here is my way better set of 7x/8x16 restored 2012 for my current ride.
just to let you know, that I do know what a good fuchs should look like ;-)

7x16
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696493.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696518.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696539.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696560.jpg

8x16
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696593.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696617.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696636.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696650.jpg

done, with Pirelli P7
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394696709.jpg


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