Door Stay Reinforcement question

[SoCal911SC]

I've been having a problem with the loud clicking noise from my driver's side door jamb, PLUS it's been taking a lot of force to open the door past each door-stay position (as opposed to the door opening smoothly thru each door-stay position).

So I replaced the small pin where the tounge meets the inside of the body with the 6mm bolt (as recommended on the forum) and that fixed the clicking noise, BUT it's still tough to open the door past each of the 2 door-stay positions.

QUESTION: if I install the Door-Stay Reinforcement kit which includes the new tongue, will that help smoothen out the opening of the door? I do have some of the notorious bending of the outer plate around the 2 bolts in the inside of the door, so it's probably not a bad idea to do it anyways.

Thanks.

[john walker's workshop]

take the thing out and squash the two bumps a bit so they pass easier. and keep the arm greased. new ones are the worst.

[SoCal911SC]

Thanks I'll give that a try. So the new reinforcement kits haven't worked well for people? Or just the replacment tongues aren't good?

[gwmac]

I filed the bumps down some, it helped.

[theiceman]

absolutely do the plates .. i have done hem on about 4 cars now .. i also put in the new door stays .. it is really stiff for the first few weeks but now is great ... not doing the re-enforcement kit and just puting new stays in will probably rip the door they are so freakin stiff..

[Ferrino]

Agreed, putting in new stays and not grinding down the bumps will make things significantly worse.

[SoCal911SC]

Thanks all, just placed order for the Door Stay Kit and Reinforcement Kit to go with it. Should I file down the new door stays a little before installing them? Or just let them loosen up naturally?

May have some other questions when it comes time for install, but I appreciate the info.

Matt

[Uncle Enzo]

Here is my fix. I had no success with the kit as my door was too far gone.

[SoCal911SC]

I like it! It's kinda Outlaw style

[Uncle Enzo]

If you want a repair kit and new check, ill sell you mine for peanuts.

[Ferrino]

Originally Posted by SoCal911SC

Thanks all, just placed order for the Door Stay Kit and Reinforcement Kit to go with it. Should I file down the new door stays a little before installing them? Or just let them loosen up naturally?

May have some other questions when it comes time for install, but I appreciate the info.

Matt

I suggest you install the stays and see what it's like. In my case it was very stiff - such that you think the mechanism has seized. I ground mine down and am probably going to do a little more, even with a fair amount of grease in there. My car is in restoration mode though - people who have replaced them often comment that they ease up after some weeks of use.

[boyt911sc]

These are the door stay mechanism that I am planning to install in my car. But they are so stiff or hard, I couldn't make it slide or move even with several blows by a large rubber mallet. They felt like welded.



Any advise is much appreciated. Thanks.

Tony

[earossi]

You absolutely should consider doing a major trimming of the nylon stops in both old or new door stays. And, you do need to install a stiffening plate on the existing door jamb.

[Ferrino]

Why would you want to trim the nylon stops?

[boyt911sc]

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop

take the thing out and squash the two bumps a bit so they pass easier. and keep the arm greased. new ones are the worst.

I tested the new door stay mechanism by using my 20-Ton hydraulic press just to slide the arm but the resistance was so great it got to break the door first to get this thing to move a bit. So I decided to follow JW's by grinding the high spots on the sliding arm. It took a couple of trial and error (grinding) to get the right thickness for the arm to slide with some acceptable resistance. Will test with the door and find out if I need to grind some more or not.

Tony

[earossi]

Originally Posted by Ferrino

Why would you want to trim the nylon stops?

I stand corrected. The stops are actually an elastomer, and not nylon. The "fix" on the door checks is to disassemble the check and, using a razor blade, slice material off the stops which thins them down so that the metal detent on the strap has "less" of an obstacle to overcome when opening the door. Such was the construction of the door straps on the 993; and, I have assumed that the design has not really changed, since the taughtness of the door stays actually fatigues the tack welds that attach the stay pin to to the front fender post. I've had both stays cause a failure of those tack welds on my 993.

[Bill Douglas]

I did my drivers door last weekend. I used the old stay but put the kit in. It works well. For some reason it was a bit stiff but I just ignored the problem and now it's loosened up to being OK.

[wacko]

If you want a repair kit and new check, ill sell you mine for peanuts.

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[SoCal911SC]

Originally Posted by earossi

I stand corrected. The stops are actually an elastomer, and not nylon. The "fix" on the door checks is to disassemble the check and, using a razor blade, slice material off the stops which thins them down so that the metal detent on the strap has "less" of an obstacle to overcome when opening the door. Such was the construction of the door straps on the 993; and, I have assumed that the design has not really changed, since the taughtness of the door stays actually fatigues the tack welds that attach the stay pin to to the front fender post. I've had both stays cause a failure of those tack welds on my 993.

So this has me a littlep confused. I have a new stay mechanism arriving today from PP, and you're saying to trim down the bumps on the brand new part....possibly requiring disassembly? And if the slider is nearly impossible to move by hand (or rubber mallet), what's the best way to slide the tongue out to grind down the other bump?

[theiceman]

Originally Posted by Ferrino

I suggest you install the stays and see what it's like. In my case it was very stiff - such that you think the mechanism has seized. I ground mine down and am probably going to do a little more, even with a fair amount of grease in there. My car is in restoration mode though - people who have replaced them often comment that they ease up after some weeks of use.

yup ... i thought i was gonna bust the door they were so stiff even with the re-enforcement kit ,, but glad i didnt mess with it because after a few weeks it is perfect..