Need help quickly

Leland Pate · 09-14-2001, 06:13 PM

Well, it's safe to say now that I won't be around long for an undisclosed amount of time here in the "very" short future.

I got back to work on the car today and I am in a bit of a bind. Everythying is ready to go back in tomorrow morning, but here is the dilema.

When I tore the motor apart, I labeled all wires with tags and took digital photos of everything.
Well, the disk I was using ***** the bed and I don't have any photos I took of where things went. So far I have been ok but the alternator and starter wires are giving me problems.

I labeled the three bundels of wires that lead to the alternator "bottom left", "bottom right", and "top". But I can't remember for the life of me what way I was looking at the alternator when I labeled them! I have looked in every manual I have and between the Bentley (has pic of later model SC), factory manual (wiring diagram helped but doesn't show exactly where on the alternator the wires attach) and haynes manual have not solved this problem.
Further more there is a small black wire that has a female "spade" connector that dosen't go anywhere on the alternator! I didn't label it so i don't think it was connected befroe I tore the engine apart. The only thing I can figure is that when i had the alternator replaced like 2 years ago, the new style alternator didn't require the black wire connection.
The new alternator is a "Valeo" (sp). Can anyone shed some light on this?????????

I took a stab at it and hooked the alternator up as follows:
If you were to look at the alterantor from behind (from the fron of the car) I hooked the bundle of three red wires on the bottom right. I hooked the three brown wires and large brown ground wire( to crankcase) to the bottom left. Then the single blue wire attached to the top post. The black wire MUST have been attached to the old alternator becaue there are definately NO spade connectors ANYWHERE on this new alternator.

Please help!! WARREN!! The AIRMAN NEEDS YOU!!!!!!!!

Ans I am going to run into the same situation with the starter conections as well tomorrow...especially the little yellow wires.
ANY information can literally save my ass. I HAVE to get this car finished before I deploy!

Please!

stormcrow · stormcrow's Garage

Leland

Maybe this will help

B+ = Red
D- = Brown wires (ground 2 required)

61 = Blue wire

61- top left
B+ - Bottom right at 4 o'clock
D- - bottom left at 7 o'clock

Regards

Steve

john walker's workshop · 09-14-2001, 06:45 PM

looks like the alt wires are ok. reds to B+, browns to D-, blue to 61(D+). the black is not used with the internal reg alt. there is also a ground wire or strap from the top of the engine case to one of the alt studs in the alt housing, just to make sure it's grounded. starter wires: thick yellow to 50 terminal. yellow/blue to the other term.(if there is a yellow/blue).

Leland Pate · 09-14-2001, 06:58 PM

Whew, thanks guys,
I didn't know that the valeo alt. had an internal regulator. And now I am sorta thinking I may have the alternator upside down in the fan housing. The plastic black cover on the back of the alternator is facing down. I am now thinking that that black cover is the regulator? And it should be facing up in relationship to the placement of the wires you guys just gave me isn't it...

Leland Pate · 09-14-2001, 08:47 PM

I'm serious here folks...bump...bump...

I just got all my bags of war gear loaded...just waiting for the call.

Leland Pate · 09-14-2001, 08:54 PM

Oh, and another thing...

I packed the piss out of the pilot bearing, splines and TO bearing with a common heavy duty grease...the stuff that is used on wheel bearings and brakes. Am I ok with that?

I have read somewhere that I need to level the engine mount crossmember...but when I tried to look it up, I can't find any refernece to it...anyone?

Warrens makeshift clutch alignment tool worked like a champ!

Other than these problems, all I have to do is readjust my valves, squirt oil over the springs and rockers, seal up the valve covers, install the motor, mount the exhaust, reconnect all electrical and fuel lines, then install the battery and see what happens!!!!!!

Natchamp · 09-14-2001, 11:33 PM

Leland, I don't think it matters what rotaional position the alternator is in, provided its wired correctly and you have the air deflector attached properly. I would be somewhat shy about putting grease in near the clutch. I only lubed the spline a little bit, but thats all. I beleive the TO bearing is internaly lubed so no need. I could be wrong.

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Mark
The Beast
mark@hargett.com

Joeaksa · 09-15-2001, 05:15 AM

Leland,

Where ever you end up, give them an extra pound or two of C-4 for all of us! Do not sweat the small stuff on the motor, we will always be here to help you if you need it. Your focus needs to be on your job once the can of "kick ass" is opened!

Joe

rcilurso · rcilurso's Garage

Meet ya there and we'll talk p cars!

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rj cilurso
87 911 targa

Eric Coffey · 09-15-2001, 10:10 AM

Leland-

I just replaced my alternator, and the regulator (black box) had to face up for the rear "airflow shroud" to fit properly.

-Eric

island911 · 09-15-2001, 10:40 AM

On that picture of parts in your kitchen I noticed something strange on the washing maching.

So I zoomed in on it.

Hmm; You don't want to leave this laying around unused.

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Doug Zielke · 09-15-2001, 11:30 AM

Leland,
Whatever direction your deployment may follow, take care of yourself. You're a good friend to all of us here on the BBS.

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'81 SC Coupe (aka: "Blue Bomber")
Canada West Region PCA
The Blue Bomber's Website
"If it ain't broke...we'll help you fix it 'til it is!"

Early_S_Man · 09-15-2001, 11:39 AM

Lee,

I don't know if you got the alternator sorted out yet, so, if not you may want to review this thread:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/Forum3/HTML/012765.html

Good luck in your next mission, and Godspeed! We will be pulling for you!
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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa
1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler

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Leland Pate · 09-15-2001, 03:07 PM

WHEW! YESSS.....I got the alternator installed correctly the first time. I took it off again just to double check though. Thanks allot for the advise guys!

I would guess the fact that the new alternator has an internal reg. is why I now have a 3 spade connector that is attached to the wiring loom for the CD box and 21 pin dealie that apparently goes nowhere...it must go to the now removed external regulator???

Folks, I will miss you all if and when I go. It is a sure bet that we are leaving...I just am not sure if I will stay on the deploying team yet.

I'll do my best to make you all proud.

I got a hell of allot done today too but I'm gonna start another thread for that.
Stay tuned!

Leland Pate · 09-15-2001, 03:08 PM

Island, you friggin' CRACK ME UP!!!!!!!

RoninLB · 09-15-2001, 06:08 PM

Leland........engine mount crossmember gets adjusted after the whole unit in back running. I first drive car to settle engine on mounts tnen loosen eng. mount cross.allowing weight of engine to settle. Who needs another twisted unit sitting in a 911????