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Would it be wise to weld in some cross supports as well?

Good luck with the project!
I agree on the braces. I made some when I did the heater channels on my wife's beetle convertible. See the picture below for some ideas.





Also I would buy the sheet metal which is available and fabricate only the pieces which cannot be purchased.

Hope this helps

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Sweet Jeebus!!

Jarod...I've repaired pans, rockers, suspension points etc....but there is no way in hades that I'd tackle this car. Unless this were a Gemund coupe, you'd never recoup your money on this project. And your time must be worth something!

You'd probably be better off taking the considerable time you would have spent on this car, and use it to dig graves at minimum wage. Were you to then save up that money, you'd probably be able to buy yourself a new GT3 RS.

Just think of the children!!! (OK, I just had to through that in...I don't even know what it means).
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Wow! This is quite an undertaking! Looking forward to see what you do!
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Not by choice, you will have 100% new sheet metal on this car.

Good God Man!!
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My 912 had the same rotten sub structure under the dash pad. It was a bear to repair and iin the end require a donor piece. Just too many complex curves to cut a piece to fit.

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This project really brings back memories of my restoration. That orange or tangerine color was exactly the same as mine. Mine is a '71 E. It took me over a year to strip and repair all the rust on my car. However my car was pristine compared. I had no rust on the floor or suspension pan. Then it took me four more years to paint and re-wire and rebuild and reassemble it.

That was in 1985. I still have the car, was my daily driver until I retired three years ago.

Too bad there aren't reasonably priced sound tubs available.....
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I seriously think this tub is too far gone. You would think once it developed fist sized rust holes it would have been somewhat self draining but the rust, she never sleeps! Sure, it's fixable, its all just metal welded together. Surely you're going to need a donor tub even if you stick with this one, just to get all the bits.

So far salvageable parts seem to be a passenger seat, front and rear glass and a glovebox trim?
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Massive huevos and hopefully a bank account to match. Truly the biggest project on a car of this type I have seen.
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I am guessing by the sudden lack of updates that the OP finally came to his senses and has abandoned this well intentioned but misguided project. When your taking on a project of this magnitude (which makes no financial sence whatsoever) and your excited about finding a glove box trim, that's a pretty good indication you might be in over your head. Kind of like buying a house that needs a new roof, cracked foundation, and complete inside update, yet your excited about the address plaque that you found in the basement. I honestly hope for his sake he has called the local hauler.
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I am guessing by the sudden lack of updates that the OP finally came to his senses and has abandoned this well intentioned but misguided project. When your taking on a project of this magnitude (which makes no financial sence whatsoever) and your excited about finding a glove box trim, that's a pretty good indication you might be in over your head. Kind of like buying a house that needs a new roof, cracked foundation, and complete inside update, yet your excited about the address plaque that you found in the basement. I honestly hope for his sake he has called the local hauler.
LOL, Class started and my brother spun a bearing in his car, So I have been busy rebuilding the engine in it. It should be finished tomorrow after I put a few more miles on the engine and change the oil. So I have not really had Much time to mess with the 911. However I have been doing a little rust removal experiments with molasses and vinegar. Also one of to door have come in. So not much of an update.




Two weeks after the molasses bath be for spraying it off.


After spraying it off, there is no pitting the black you see is whats left of the old paint.


This one went back in as it was not completely covered in molasses.



Cleaned up and painted with self etching primer.



And a pic of one of the new doors.

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I stand corrected....You sir are a determined man. I wish you luck.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:51 AM
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Holy moly...at least you got some nice wheels.
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Call a priest!

I heard somewhere a typical frame (tub)
Off (resto) on any decent solid car is. 800-1000
Man hours...
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You know what, that one is really bad, but I've seen worse in the rear seat pans and suspension area. If people do this kind of work to slow out of breath 356's (souped up VW's), why not spend the time and effort for one of these cars? That one is going to be a long uphill battle, but it beats sitting in front of the television watching Chip Foose destroy classic cars. At least you are doing something. Enjoy the work, and don't lose hope.
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Well I have been busy But I have made a little progress.

My new passenger door cam in last week along with my 1200lb engine stands!





More paint and bondo removal.




My high tech bolt remover



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Well I was planing on removing the smugglers box anyways.






I started removing the wiring harness




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At some point the rocker and Door Lock Posts where replaced.


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Then I got carried away with the cut off wheel.









My next step other then cleaning up this mess is to start bracing the chassis. My tubing comes in tomorrow so I will also start building the rotisserie.

A new Idea I have been plying with is making a aluminum floor pan. I cant use most of the stock floor pan and as far as I know they don't make a 964, 993 or even a 996 reproduction floor pane yet. I have also been trying to decided If I'm going to keep the rear seat pans. If I go aluminium It would make more since to remove them and make aluminum one or delete the rear seats all together. Some one asked If I plan on buying a donor car. I have been thinking about buying a 996 or even a 986 shell for some time now. It would make adapting the suspension and drive train easier but I don't know it it would be worth it. Anyone know a place where they sell wrecked shells? I have found two 996 shells in Canadian for $380 and $600 but wont ship them. I have found a ton of cheap shells in europe but cant imagination the cost of shipping them.

I still have not ruled out trying to patch the roof. I know I can do it. However I have been thinking about buying the gt racing 911 roof. I would still have to rebuild the skeleton or even make a new one. Anyone know if I can still use the stock glass?
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In my opinion, I would not do aluminum floor pans. Just get the steel reproductions and call it a day, or since you're ambitious, maybe make steel pans to your own design. The floor pans are part of the structure of the car. If you did aluminum, not only would you have to figure out a way to bond them to the rest of the steel structure, but you would also need to add some well thought-out geometry stamped or manual set into the pans. In addition to those reasons, the lowest part of the car is pretty much the pan and if you have any intention of driving it on the street, that may not work in your favor at some point during the life of the car.

Go steel. The pans are relatively inexpensive, as are the rest of the sheet metal you will need to patch things up. Just make sure all this cutting you're doing is not effecting the overall structure of the unibody design that Porsche put together. There was a reason why they designed this car with the sheet metal laid out the way it is.

One more reason... for the sake of argument... lighter floors mean higher CG. If you're going to replace something with aluminum, replace the roof.

Enjoying this save, though! Looking forward to seeing more progress. Just don't make it any harder on yourself.
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