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fintstone 09-29-2014 08:10 PM

I recently had a intermittant, then no spark condition and after replacing almost everythng via swaptronics without luck, I broke down and troubleshot the problem. It turned out one of the wires (red, power) on the back of the six pin had not been crimped properly and just pulled out but was still held in by the rubber boot so it was not obvious and made some contact until it didn't.

911SauCy 09-30-2014 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 8284191)
911SauCy,

I work a lot with CIS engines and if I ever need someone to check my CDI, I'll send it to Ingo. Or send it to someone you don't know.

Tony

Why would I send it to someone I don't know?

Is there a website for Ingo, I G-Searched them and CDI in a number of arrangements but came up with nothing useful.

timmy2 09-30-2014 07:45 AM

Just PM him?


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T77911S 09-30-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 911SauCy (Post 8283246)
New random thought through reading...

Was reading on Perma Tune website. They say that if your coil goes bad, the CD box is destroyed...

True? (Just seems like that would "make sense" for them to say considering they're supplying new boxes.)

I am definitely going to buy a new coil, already got the multimeter. :)


Also, does the dist need to be removed to replace the trigger wire? Looks awfully close.

the bosch unit is very robust and very good.
a bad coil should not hurt the CD since its really jsut a capacitor discharging into a coil. you can have it rebuilt jsut for reliability but i think all that is replaced is the cap and a few SCR's for some more heavy duty ones if you will.

theiceman 09-30-2014 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 8284862)
the bosch unit is very robust and very good.
a bad coil should not hurt the CD since its really jsut a capacitor discharging into a coil. you can have it rebuilt jsut for reliability but i think all that is replaced is the cap and a few SCR's for some more heavy duty ones if you will.

anyone have any specifics ofn this or is this one of those closely guarded secrets to stop DIY guys from spending a few bucks with a soldering iron over many hundreds at a specilist.

dicklague 09-30-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by theiceman (Post 8284955)
anyone have any specifics ofn this or is this one of those closely guarded secrets to stop DIY guys from spending a few bucks with a soldering iron over many hundreds at a specilist.

Do search here....all the information on the Bosch CDI is here.....what and how to replace stuff.

theiceman 09-30-2014 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dicklague (Post 8285049)
Do search here....all the information on the Bosch CDI is here.....what and how to replace stuff.

will do thanks

911SauCy 10-29-2014 06:48 AM

Update:
 
With the help of Lovely Mrs Saucy, I was able to get closer to an answer last night.
First things first. In the 4 years I've had the car, I've never fiddled with the CDI box/engine compartment electronics. I unplug the 6-pin and this little 3 pin was just hangin out...not plugged into anything...what's it to? (looks to have a blue and brown wire?)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1414593763.jpg
Then I was able to test the key on voltage at the 6-pin, all good at 12.24 Volts, ruling out bad ignition, wiring or fuse from battery.

Then, with engine cranking (lovely assistant) I tested the VAC across the left-most pins on the connector. (dist pulse shielding and dist pulse input) I was able to get a variable reading while cranking between .900VAC and .955VAC...does this seem right?

CDI testing instructions I found said that if there is no pulse the dist pulse generator is bad. If there is pulse it's likely a bad CDI or coil. Well I just replaced the coil so don't think that's it. However, the instructions kindly left out what kind of VAC reading should be expected.

I believe I've narrowed to the CDI, other thoughts?

pete3799 10-29-2014 07:17 AM

I believe the 3 prong plug is for an external voltage regulator.

911SauCy 10-29-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pete3799 (Post 8328983)
I believe the 3 prong plug is for an external voltage regulator.

Well...the car seemed to perform/run just fine without it all of my ownership.

Perhaps I'm living in a fool's paradise...SmileWavy

ischmitz 10-29-2014 09:46 AM

The measurements on the coil output of the Bosch CDI box are not valid without connecting the ignition coil itself. The output is one side of a capacitor and a high-impedance DVM will get confused. You need a proper load and then the output is nearly zero (unless the internal capacitor is damaged).

Be careful, with a bad internal capacitor this output can produce dangerously high voltage with enough current to hurt you.

Ingo


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