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Hil911 11-06-2014 12:52 AM

Pertronix with no CDI
 
I'm trying to track down a misfire problem with my engine. I've worked on the CIS until there seems little opportunity for improvement. For various reasons I had no faith in my original ignition (CDI, Bosch distributor), especially the coil, and decided to replace it with a Pertronix for diagnostic purposes.

SO I avoided using the CDI and existing coil. This is what I did:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1415267278.jpg

The engine runs OK after setting the timing. It seems a bit angrier (which is good) and I'd swear that it's running hotter. BUT there is still a bit of a misfire and the tach is jumping a lot and possibly indicating a bit high. The tach jumps may be linked to misfires. I haven't driven it yet.

Does my wiring look OK? Any ideas for what causes the jumps? Would it be stupid to try running wires all the way from the battery?

Hil911 11-06-2014 01:22 PM

Well, I guess that silence is good! Nobody has said "Oh my God - your car is going to blow up!".

As an afterthought I plan to add a diode around where the green box is on the old points lead. I only need the current to flow in one direction: from the tach to ground through the Pertronix, so it might be a good idea to make sure that it can't go in the other direction.

dicklague 11-06-2014 05:02 PM

Why did you remove the CDI?

Hil911 11-06-2014 06:01 PM

I think that my CDI is good - it whines away happily - but I wasn't sure. I wanted to remove the entire original ignition system and go from there. I may well add the CDI back in, although I saw a note in the Pelican product catalogue that the Ignitor II is not the one to use with CDI.

Hil911 11-07-2014 04:32 PM

Hi Folks
I could really use some help with this! Since changing to the Pertronix my tach reads strangely: when I am idling the tach says 2000 RPM. Then when I get up to about 6000, it jumps back to 4000 and starts again! It worked fine before the change ... although I think the engine is running much better, probably because of the new coil.

jbell959 11-07-2014 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hil911 (Post 8343700)
Hi Folks
I could really use some help with this! Since changing to the Pertronix my tach reads strangely: when I am idling the tach says 2000 RPM. Then when I get up to about 6000, it jumps back to 4000 and starts again! It worked fine before the change ... although I think the engine is running much better, probably because of the new coil.

Send a note to Bob Ashlock. I bet he can help you with the tach issue. He sells a tach adapt and understands the CDI and tach signals inside and out. He goes by his name here on Pelican.

HarryD 11-07-2014 05:50 PM

The reason for CDI is a hotter spark and quicker recovery time after the coil fires at higher RPMs.

For lower RPMs a Kettering ignition will work just fine as long as the coil is designed for the service.

zelrik911 11-08-2014 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hil911 (Post 8343700)
Hi Folks
I could really use some help with this! Since changing to the Pertronix my tach reads strangely: when I am idling the tach says 2000 RPM. Then when I get up to about 6000, it jumps back to 4000 and starts again! It worked fine before the change ... although I think the engine is running much better, probably because of the new coil.

Dont worry, this is a usual occurrence when fitting a Pertronix to some german cars.
I had exactly what you describe when fitting a Pertronix ignitor to my '73 MB 450SL. (Dont think there is any connection with the misfire.)

It was recommended that I simply install an 11.5K ½ watt resister, but I never got round to it before I sold the car. I was going to buy a small tach adapt box (from Bob Ashlock ??)
There is a good description of the unit somewhere in past posts.
Peter

PS: Try some NGK Iridium plugs

faverymi 11-08-2014 05:10 AM

A while ago I follow this videos. It cleared a lot of things.

And it was a similar installation without CDI. Completely eliminated. Needed a tach adapter though...

My distributor had to be rebuilt because of the mechanical advancement. It would work well and then went completely out of time. But that is a different issue. Hope it helps



Electronic Ignition Install - 1967 Porsche 911S (Part 1 of 3) - YouTube


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