Bush NEVER mentioned CANADA!!!!

[davis911s]

President Bush just finished his address and NEVER even mentioned CANADA. I am a proud Canadian soldier, and this really bothers me. There is a VERY good chance that I or my friends will be fighting side by side with Americans. I find it rude that he never even uttered a word about us! He mention Japan and even El Salvador, but FORGOT his northern neighbours, That was appalling!

[cabman]

I wouldnt take that too personally. there are many many other countries Bush didnt mention either.

If I am not mistaken, Canada has been mentioned by Bush on many other speeches and occasions and by other US officials.

but i understand where you're coming from.

[BRAINIAC]

That's because he thinks of us (U.S. and Canada) as one Nation. Right? I mean, we're ALL North Americans.

God Bless Canada!!

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Tyson Schmidt
72 911 Cabriolet
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[Greg-slant/cab]

He would still be naming all of the countries that will be involved.

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[Kurt B]

The Canadian people have spent the last peaceful set of years distancing themselves from us whereas Britain has made those ties closer. In many ways Canada is searching for its own identity probably because we in the US see it as just another state...a good, and solid ally of course. I mean, to say Canada is an ally is totally redunant--to me that's like saying California is an ally of the US..it's totally assumed.

I haven't seen any statements from Jean Chretien aside from the usual "We're horrified" stuff.
Yeah, Arafat was "horrified" too. Blair went on air as saying we needed to eradicate this evil from our world and said Britain was standing with the US shoulder to shoulder without any conditions on what we decided to do.

I've searched CNN again, and I cannot find any statements from Canada declaring its solidarity and military resolve with the US. It would be nice if someone posted such a statement from Jean Chretien if it exists. Show me any such source...please include the URL.


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[davis911s]

I don't care what other nation he mentioned or forgot! There once was day when WE were the "best of friends" and I know it is impossible to mention everybody, but come on.
We actually took ALL of the plane traffic to land here, took care of the passengers. Our Prime Minister has stood behind all the decisions from the very beginning, the list goes on forever.

Maybe it's because our military isn't huge (its like 60,000 total) but we are all wiling to fight for this cause as are our civilians. Canada has NEVER had a draft and during times of crisis our citizens are there to answer the call in DROVES.

Sorry if this may sound trivial to some, but to me that was an insult!

Shawn

[motion]

If I find out the our government knew this s$it was going to happen (ala Pearl Harbor), you can count me as a new countryman. Bring it on.

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-Richard
'84 Carrera Cabriolet
'74 911 Widebody 3.6 Project

[marc weintraub]

Without taking this too far, I am half Canadian and love Canada, but nothing has been said by the Canadian government in support of our efforts or the tragedy that just took place in New York. To add insult to injury, many of the terrorists were coming in through the Canadian borders to get to US soil. I am not sure if this had anything to do with the lack of acknowledgement of Canada, but in this point we were all at fault regardless of how many countries these they gained entrance through.

For what it's worth, I do beleive it was an oversite and to be honest with you, we have more to worry about than who we talk about in speeches. It was certainly not put out there to offend one nation or a multitude of others that were not a part of the State Of The Nation. The US has always viewed Canada as a friend and we are always taken as one in the same, which is the way it should be.

[Hellgate]

Davis911s,

I'll see you at the front.

Cheers,

SFC Marcell
CO C/3-112 - 49th Armor

[davis911s]

Marc I know what you mean about the borders, but not to pass BLAME and start a fight, whenever you cross INTO a country, the customs checks you on the receiving side. Therefore when an if they crossed into the US from Canada, it was the US Customs job to search etc, and many of them from what I hear had US citizenship or papers and were trained in the US.

This is not to cause a my counrty your country battle, I love Canada and have a great respect for the US, I just wish it was passed on at a higher level.

As for Prime Minister Chretien, he did mention in his speeches that Canada would support the US. I do not have the urls to those but I heard it. And I was on 1 hour notice to go, bags packed etc for to days following and am still on 48hours notice!

Shawn

[Kurt B]

Someone find a quote from Canada's prime minister mr. Jean C, saying he'd stand with America and fight this on the battlefield. I want to see it. If it's there, Bush screwed up, if it's not, then you know why Britain is the greatest ally of the US rather than anyone else. Rock on Limeys! Hee Haw.

[marc weintraub]

Davis,

I agree with you, which was why I said we were both at fault... no arguement! It wasn't said to offend anyone, it was a point of fact, but I think we as Americans should bear the brunt of the blame.

Another point of fact is that we can all look to our ex-president Clinton, who came into office and cut back on the military and secret service budgets to allow us to be more vulnerable. He also knew of terrorists living in our country but chose to not take action during his last term in office because they had not been involved in a crime here. It is truly ironic how many warning signs were missed or just overlooked.

We can also blame the deregulization of the airlines which cut back on money due to greater competition cutting back on security measures at all of our airports. The FAA will be hard at work revamping our non-existant security on and off the plane. Now lets see how those of us that fly like being delayed. Should be very interesting!

Marc

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[davis911s]

Here is a post to what our political parties think. Here in Canada we have 5 seperate parties, each shows thier opinions. Again these are only the opinions of the parties. The Liberals are who's in charge, not a quote from Uncle Jean yet but I am looking, And to be honest I don't really care if I find one or not, Canada has and always will back the US. Well except for our own little battles but those were long ago. http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010920/20_political-cp.html

I just wish Bush would have had more respect for us than that! I really like Bush, but we are OWED an apology!

Shawn

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[pwd72s]

"Another point of fact is that we can all look to our ex-president Clinton, who came into office and cut back on the military and secret service budgets to allow us to be more vulnerable. He also knew of terrorists living in our country but chose to not take action during his last term in office because they had not been involved in a crime here. It is truly ironic how many warning signs were missed or just overlooked."- Marc W.

Marc? I could not agree more! Paul

[davis911s]

"Everyone agrees fully that we have to fight, we have to root out terrorism," Chretien said.

"But we have to act cautiously."

from http://home-news.excite.ca/news/cp/010919/16/chretien-to-meet

Shawn

[Kurt B]

Davis, the point is, Tony took a risk that Uncle Jean didn't. That's what my guess is. There is no doubt in my mind that if the US were in any struggle, and we came to Canada for anything, Canada would be there as they always have been.
I think in this case, it was more important to mention Britain as the best friend we ever had than it was to not mention anyone else because of the risks they take both in the world opinion and in possible counter attacks.
In any case, I remember a Kids in the Hall sketch that went something like this. A character mistaken for an American in the Philippines. "No," he said. "I'm Canadian. Basically the same thing, but without the gun."
Basically the same thing. If you're there side by side risking your lives, we'll notice, and so will Bush.

[marc weintraub]

I think all Americans know that Canada is our best friend and this will always be with us. We help each other as we need things, which is what friends do.

For a pleasant and funny end to this story... my wife, after the speech, said to me that she loved Bush. At which point I said, "So do I, but I am sure there are more men waiting to hear what you said".

All The Best To Everyone... and as Bugs Bunny Said... "You know... this means war". Now on to our previously programmed shows.

Marc

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[N11Porsche]

Bush HAD to mention Great Britian because Tony Blair was in tonite's audience. I tip my hat to Blair for being there, it was a nice gesture and a great show of unity. We know our Canadian brothers are also here for us, as they always have been and we hold them in no less regard than we do Britian.



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Bill Carcot
1979 911SC
Diablo Region, P.C.A.

[patalive]

As I mentioned in another post, Blair delivered a powerful speech of support before the House of Commons on Sept 14. This was only the 18th time in history that Parliament had been reconvened from recess. If you have the time, read it. You will see where the Brits are coming from!
http://www.britainusa.com/usaterrorism/xq/asp/SarticleType.1/Article_ID.1686/qx/articles_show.htm
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In addition, on the same site, you will see numerous other statements of support from Blair and others in the British government.
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The Canadian PM, Chretian, also made a speech of support before the Canadian House of Commons, but on the day of the attack, -
http://pm.gc.ca/default.asp?Language=E&Page=newsroom&Sub=Speeches&Doc=hofcdebate.20010917_e.htm
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A quote from Chretian's speech:
"It was a sea of sorrow and sympathy for those who have lost friends and loved ones -- Americans, Canadians, citizens of many countries. Above all, it was a sea of solidarity with our closest friend and partner in the world: the United States of America."
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Perhaps Bush did err by not mentioning Canada last night. My opinion is that as the war unfolds, the US and Britain will incur far greater casulties only because of the relative sizes of the armed forces and attendant assets (planes, ships, etc) compared to Canada's. However, this in no way should diminish the strong bond between the US and Canada, we North Americans. Canada has other resources that can support the war effort, its natural resources. In a worst case scenario, who knows, we folks in WashDC area may be drinking Canadian water if our water suppy has been contaminated by the bad guys.
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I don't think now is the time to bicker about details and perceived slights. Now is the time for all of us to dip our oars in the water and pull together!
Chuck
83SC

[island911]

Originally posted by davis911s:
. . . but FORGOT his northern neighbours, That was appalling!
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Sorry if this may sound trivial to some, but to me that was an insult!

Shawn

It does sound trivial.
Let's not loose focus. "Appalling / insult" . . .there is only one recent event that fits that bill.