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Josh D 01-19-2015 09:27 AM

Did I 'F' it up? (brake booster issue)
 
So Saturday I got around to replacing the leaky brake master cylinder. After getting everything out, the booster was full of fluid (as I suspected). I drained the fluid the best I could and cleaned out all the gunk in the solvent sink.

I got everything back together, brakes bled, and test drove it, putting on about 12 miles. Everything worked fine. Brake pedal feel was better then before, good bite, etc.

I didn't drive it at all on Sunday. This morning, I back out of garage and didn't notice a problem. However, by the end of my street I lost power brake function and it's clear I have a vacuum leak when I press the pedal. I drove it a couple miles before doubling back and taking it home.

Brake pedal is hard, vacuum leak causing idle stumble, and I can hear air/leak at the booster/MC with foot on the brake.

Any ideas on things to check? Can the booster be dissasembled and checked for damaged diaphragm or seals? Could this be an issue with the check valve? Did the solvent from the parts washer damage the seals/diaphragm?

chrisbruck 01-19-2015 10:02 AM

There's an "O"-ring between the MC and booster. Did you replace that? I forgot mine once causing a similar headache.

There is only one other vacuum hose connected to the booster. Make sure it's snug.

Not sure on the internals to the booster though.

Josh D 01-19-2015 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbruck (Post 8446132)
There's an "O"-ring between the MC and booster. Did you replace that? I forgot mine once causing a similar headache.

There is only one other vacuum hose connected to the booster. Make sure it's snug.

Not sure on the internals to the booster though.

Yes, replaced O ring and was careful not to over torque.

I moved the vacuum line and check valve around while my wife held the brake pedal down to see if that affected the leak rate, but it made no difference. I would think if the vacuum line or check valve connection was the problem, the leak would be continuous. The vacuum leak only occurs when brake pedal is depressed.

Bob Kontak 01-19-2015 10:37 AM

See post #5 in thread below. RoninLB mentions that one side of the diaphragm opens to atmosphere when pedal is depressed. Maybe that is what you are hearing?

Also some other ideas for checking stuff. Hope it's just something silly.

Parts washer? Was it submerged?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/251835-brake-booster-testing.html

chrisbruck 01-19-2015 10:39 AM

Sounds like you checked the basics.... must be something internal. :(

uwanna 01-19-2015 10:50 AM

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I had a very similar problem to what you had. I replaced the MC and found the booster full of fluid. Cleaned it up and put it all back together and it was AOK for a while, but then the booster failed. I think the brake fluid may deteriorate the diaphragm in the booster.
Just keep your eye out on the for sale threads, as good used ones come up regularly.
Do a search, as I saw some just last week.

EDIT: you might try this fella.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/846100-fs-911-brake-booster.html

Josh D 01-19-2015 01:05 PM

Thanks for all the replies. The MC had been leaking for awhile and the internals of the booster were pretty nasty. I decided rather than wasting good time trouble shooting a 35 yr old part only to come the the conclusion that it has failed, I just ordered a reman booster online. Wasn't expensive at all.

The next challenge will be to try and remove it without removing MC. I'd rather not disconnect brake lines and have to bleed again. Makes a frickin' mess!

billh1963 01-19-2015 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 8446206)
I think the brake fluid may deteriorate the diaphragm in the booster.

Brake fluid will absolutely destroy brake booster diaphragms.

sveiks 05-29-2015 03:19 PM

Hey Josh,
I'm looking for a new booster for my 79SC.
Where did you order yours from ? Link ?
Thanks

uwanna 05-29-2015 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sveiks (Post 8643294)
Hey Josh,
I'm looking for a new booster for my 79SC.
Where did you order yours from ? Link ?
Thanks

Ran across a post by Tidybouy with a link to his Ebay auctions. He has a real nice booster and MC set for sale. I am following (just for fun,not a buyer) Only one bid at $75, couple of days to go. It looks real nice. PP link:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/866791-fs-3-pin-cdi-brake-booster-cis-air-box-bosch-fuel-pressure-tool-much-more.html


ebay link:Porsche 911 Power Brake Booster Master Cylinder 911 SC Carrera Master Cylinder | eBay

In my earlier post in this thread I said I had the same problem you have. Well I bought a similar used booster and MC from a Pelican, and it's been great for the last 5 years! Maybe your solution. Maybe PM Tidybouy, and ask him about condition etc. Good luck!


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