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redstack 03-19-2015 01:01 PM

proper caster settings?
 
My 84 has incredibly heavy steering. Is there a suggested "sporting" alignment? In my miata days there were special setups for autox vs touring. I saw one mention of caster to 6*, that seems like a lot of caster. I was used to getting the caster to 1 or 2 in the miata, which gave it a very nimble handing.

running 205/50/17 in front

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1426798873.jpg

javadog 03-19-2015 01:51 PM

Porsche usually specified a little over 6 degrees. Maybe 6 degrees, 5 minutes, plus or minus 15 minutes. A higher ride height and zero camber would probably help.

JR

Bill Verburg 03-19-2015 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redstack (Post 8538120)
My 84 has incredibly heavy steering. Is there a suggested "sporting" alignment? In my miata days there were special setups for autox vs touring. I saw one mention of caster to 6*, that seems like a lot of caster. I was used to getting the caster to 1 or 2 in the miata, which gave it a very nimble handing.

running 205/50/17 in front

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1426798873.jpg

caster spec for all 911 from '72 thru '89 is 6°5'+/-15'

wheel/tire size doesn't really matter here.

Running less caster affects on center return more than effort

toe should be 0° pressed

camber 0°+/-10'

javadog 03-19-2015 01:55 PM

You might also ponder what effective offset you now have, with those wheels and any spacers you may have installed.

JR

Walt Fricke 03-19-2015 07:15 PM

Right - increasing the scrub radius is going to make the steering harder.

redstack 03-22-2015 07:41 AM

Ok, so if I have the alignment checked and set to the specs in the book, it should be as good as it will get. No "sporting" alignments.

Scrub radius, I understand in concept. So without taking the wheel off, reading what I can find on the ET for those front cup II wheels, they should be about ET55. There is a fairly narrow spacer on there, maybe 20mm to bring it into the the range of 23ET needed. I will pull the wheel and check all this soon.

Yesterday I was talking with a fellow Gulf Coast region PCA member with a 87 who had 205/16 width tires on his fuch wheels and also a spacer. He said his steering was very light.

Would a wheel with a normal 23ET and a 20mm spacer have a different scrub radius than a ET55 / 20mm wheel?

GaryR 03-22-2015 07:53 AM

You might consider a steering rack rehab also before having it aligned again. They are all getting to be 30+years old... including the u-joint.

redstack 03-22-2015 07:55 AM

yea that's true, plus a turbo tie rod install and bumpsteer kit.

GaryR 03-22-2015 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redstack (Post 8541672)
yea that's true, plus a turbo tie rod install and bumpsteer kit.

If you don't have the turbo tie rods get them vs. those rubber parts. Bumpsteer is good if your car has been lowered also, but I never had one in my quite low SC and never had an issue with steering..

Bill Verburg 03-22-2015 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by redstack (Post 8541653)
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Would a wheel with a normal 23ET and a 20mm spacer have a different scrub radius than a ET55 / 20mm wheel?

yes
things that change scrub radius
wheel ET
spacers, which change wheel ET
camber
spindle angle or height adjustments
ride height changes
caster changes

Scrub radius change is usually felt as a stronger feedback through the wheel, our cars have a lively wheel, even in normal driving you can feel it moving in your hands, In a corner the more the scrub radius differs from stock the more effort is felt an and the less feedback is felt, the steering gets heavier and flatter

redstack 03-22-2015 10:31 AM

I get plenty of feedback, a good kick going over bumps etc.

Can you measure scrub radius by picking up the center of the tire? or average of front and back of the tire to get the average for the center of the wheel? Imagining some sort of toe in.


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