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Insane Idea #72901 - Can Carbon Fiber Fabric Be Used To Make Clothing?
Yeah, I know what you're thinking, "How did this nut get out of the hospital and how did he get hold of a porsche?" But I've been looking into carbon fiber fabrication and it appears the stuff is produced as a woven fabric. So why not make clothing out of it?
Oops, gotta go. The men in the white suits are coming... 
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That is a BAD idea. Carbon fiber fabrick would cause you all sorts of problems. This stuff will make you itch just like fiberglass.
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10-30-2002, 09:51 AM
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a BAD idea ?!
Dude. . .forget the Bling-bling . .YOU would be the Mingiest boy on the block ~~yeah~~
 
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"Dude. . .forget the Bling-bling . .YOU would be the Mingiest boy on the block ~~yeah~~"
WoW !! Yeah, baby, yeah !! I already have the evil goatee...I knew something was missing in my "bad boy" persona and this solves it !! Muhahahaha...  Okay, so it would itch on the skin then....can it be used to make bras and seat covers or... ...wait for it... ...targa top recovering kits? I'm talkin' raw woven fibers here...no resin or hardening...
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Seriously, the stuff doesnt "drape" worth beans. . . I suppose it would be good for guys whom like a lot of starch in their shirts. . .it's like perma-starch on viagra.
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heh-heh, really, CF is not tough, just stiff. . .even w/o resin.
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10-30-2002, 10:41 AM
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And, the carbon fibers are classified as an extremely hazardous material and in its raw form is extremely toxic to the human body.
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10-30-2002, 10:42 AM
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"And, the carbon fibers are classified as an extremely hazardous material and in its raw form is extremely toxic to the human body."
Whoa, serious scary monsters. I've got some of this stuff on order and I was planning to fabricate a couple of flat pieces as a learning exersize. None of the manuals have yet mentioned any toxicity. Should I be using super-special gloves or a hazmat suit? UPDATE: I just found this on the web... "Product or Trade Name.... Graphite (commonly called "carbon") fiber Emergency Overview: Contains no ingredients now known to be hazardous by OSHA. The normal cutting of the fiber, either with scissors or razor blade is suspected of generating small amounts of possibly respirable fibers. We believe that such fiber cutting should be done in a ventilated hood facility."
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If you are handling the carbon fiber, latex gloves would be fine. Be careful when cutting the fiber because the dust is cancer causing. Even the dust from cutting the raw fiber with sccissors can cause irritation in the lungs etc. Fiberglass dust is inert, the body will work the dust out of your system. Not the case for carbon fiber, it has microscopic barbs that dont let the fibers come back out.
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Sounds like it's as good for you as asbestos. Wonder when the lawsuits will start?
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Yet another reason why Pelican rocks...what started out as a whimsical question regarding the uses of carbon fiber has inspired me to order a serious respirator (instead of just those little paper masks) for my composite fabrication experiments. It might be a bit of overkill, but I'd rather err on the side of "breathing freely" rather than maybe get nasty microscopic things stuck in my lungs...
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There is a co. in England that makes a carbon fiber material encased in vinyl that is used for motorcycle boots, skate board shoes and motorcycle pants and jackets. Most uses are to re enforce areas of high wear and stress. Also i think because it looks cool. I can find the contact # if anyones interested.
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"There is a co. in England that makes a carbon fiber material encased in vinyl"
You're right. That would look cool. Very cool. Do they have a website?
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You don't want carbon fiber--you want kevlar fabric. It's tough, flexible and looks like cf except it's kind of mustardy yellow color. I have a pair of light hiking shoes with kevlar uppers.
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Does carbon fiber repel flaming? Might come in handy around here.
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Janus,
Why not use Kevlar instead and make a bullet proof jacket? You have to do a bit of research first though, to learn exactly how to use the material for this purpose. It would be unfortunate to find out the hard way what is not right... In the past cars were made bulletproof mostly by adding heavy gauge steel plates. Today Kevlar is used in the same places, saving a lot of weight. If you are paranoid enough, why not use Kevlar on the inside of the engine lid and/or on the firewall behind the rear seats? This is (hopefully) the only angle from which "they" will have a clear shot at you. Just a thought, but remember: The fact that you cannot see them doesn't mean that "they" are not out to get you. 
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lil known gossip: when the boys in the skunk works at lockheed played with the stuff, most of them contracted lung diseases and other respiratory disorders. no lawsuits that we've heard of because most of them have passed away! nasty stuff - be careful handling it
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I had heard that it was the exotic resins that were experimented with at the skunkworks that caused the health problems, but who knows. The co. that makes the vinyl coated carbon fiber has an office in Ca. . The # is 949/770-0887. If you are interested in making a product out of the material they will send you a sample. The material is pretty cool stuff, i just haven't figured out a neat product to make out of it yet.
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Well, as luck would have it, my new books on composite fabrication arrived last night so I have a slightly better clue...regarding safety, the books *strongly* recommend full respirators be worn while playing with both fabrics and resins. Sounds like good advice to me. Also lots of ventilation. Again, seems like sage advice.
And while searching the 'Net, I found no references to carbon fiber clothing...but I did find that Momo sells floor mats with carbon fiber heel pads...mucho bling... And for those interested in composite materials, this thread is actually an offshoot of a more serious and in depth thread regarding light weight body panels...and there we discussed lots of stuff like carbon fiber, kevlar, and even chocolate...so I ordered some samples for experimentation including some carbon/kevlar, some pure kevlar, and some pure carbon fiber...I ordered it from this guy... http://www.shopmaninc.com And here is the thread on light weight body panels... What would you make your car out of?
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