Factory Sunroof? How to check? 1969 911T

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Im going to look at a 69 911T 2.0

It has a sunroof fitted. How can i check if its "factory". It is not mentioned on the COA under optional equipment, so I presume that its not. Its a US car in europe (11912xxxx).

If its factory where would the switch on the dash be? I presume it would have drain tubes. If so are they through and under the A pillers like impact bumper cars?

A few other questions while im here!

A) The car is also listed as chrome wheels as an option. I presume that would be chrome steels rather than fuchs. Im keeping the fuchs, but just wondering!

B) When did 911's switch from being black underneath like the 356 to body colour, was it in 69 with the launch of the pvc coating?

C) anyone know the correct battery code (size) for a 68 SWB?

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by strictly

Im going to look at a 69 911T 2.0

It has a sunroof fitted. How can i check if its "factory". It is not mentioned on the COA under optional equipment, so I presume that its not. Its a US car in europe (11912xxxx).

If its factory where would the switch on the dash be? I presume it would have drain tubes. If so are they through and under the A pillers like impact bumper cars?

A few other questions while im here!

A) The car is also listed as chrome wheels as an option. I presume that would be chrome steels rather than fuchs. Im keeping the fuchs, but just wondering!

B) When did 911's switch from being black underneath like the 356 to body colour, was it in 69 with the launch of the pvc coating?

C) anyone know the correct battery code (size) for a 68 SWB?

Nearly all non-factory sunroofs were dealer installed and were Golde sunroofs. Here are a few things to look for to detect if it was dealer installed.

1) The rear drain tubes will exit under the engine lid just like factory, but the tubes will extend beyond the sheet metal into the drain rail of the engine compartment--they are not flush openings like the factory.

2) The motor for the Golde sunroof is above the rear view mirror, at the front of the sunroof, not at the rear of the roof (with a zipper in the headliner) like a factory roof.

3) The Golde sunroof is narrower and set back further from the front edge of the roof than is a factory sunroof.

4) The Golde sunroof doesn't have the same type of wind deflector at the leading edge of the opening as does a factory sunroof. IIRC, it doesn't have a deflector.

5) The switch for the sunroof is, in most cases, located in the same location as on a factory car.

6) Golde sunroofs use a slightly different cable and replacements are very difficult to find.

If you can post pictures of the sunroof, engine compartment with lid open showing the drain rail under the rear window, and interior shot of the sunroof opening, we could probably tell for certain.

[onboost]

Originally Posted by strictly

Im going to look at a 69 911T 2.0

It has a sunroof fitted. How can i check if its "factory". It is not mentioned on the COA under optional equipment, so I presume that its not. Its a US car in europe (11912xxxx).

If its factory where would the switch on the dash be? I presume it would have drain tubes. If so are they through and under the A pillers like impact bumper cars?

A few other questions while im here!

A) The car is also listed as chrome wheels as an option. I presume that would be chrome steels rather than fuchs. Im keeping the fuchs, but just wondering!

B) When did 911's switch from being black underneath like the 356 to body colour, was it in 69 with the launch of the pvc coating?

C) anyone know the correct battery code (size) for a 68 SWB?

Switch for sunroof should be on left side underneath the gauges slightly between the gas and oil gauges. Also look for drain towards the rear. Either in at the top of the engine lid closing channel, or inside the 1/4 pane near c pillar (aftermarket).

Also, there is the prospect that the car has had the roof clip swapped for one with a sunroof. Years ago this was popular just as adding non-s/r clips are now.

A) Yes, they would have been steel..

B) Wheel wells, engine compartment and trunk were black until 73
(some 72's were body color)

C) Cant help ya there!

[strictly]

Thanks guys that really helpfull. You know the story seller wants top dollar as its a rare factory sunroof car, so im just hoping to buy with my eyes open.

Really helpfull.

I'll ask for some photos of the drain tubes, motor position, etc and post back. Its a good 800 mile round trip for me to see the car, so im trying to do some homework first

Luke

[sc_rufctr]

This is worth a look.

Originally Posted by Jason 74 911

I went to the Phoenix Club in Anaheim on Saturday to check out the cars and see if I could pick up some parts. I was checking out this really clean 356



and noticed that the sunroof was open. So I went over and checked it out.


Here is a picture of the Sunroof in my 74 911.


There was another guy looking at the 356 at the same time and I think he had a 67 911 with the same sunroof as well. Additionally, I was checking out a white 74 Carerra and it also had the same sunroof.

My sunroof repair just got a little more expensive.

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ah intresting, the 356's had golde sunroofs, which im guessing is the same as yours. I take it its non factory? What make were the factory sunroofs?

[RichardNew]

The CoA sheets from Porsche are really bad. We used to be able to write out own. Atlanta would send you your CoA and you could call them with "corrections".
Some were real corrections. Some were improvements to the original.

I'm not sure if they do that anymore though. I got mine direct from Germany.



Richard Newton
The Monterey Auctions

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thats hillarious about having to correct/ effectively write your own COA. I'll certainly get one from germany.

This is the first pic, I should have more tomorrow and will post those. It think it looks like the drain holes are flush which is a good sign (or just the fact they are there!)

[strictly]

some more pics, he has confirmed motor in the back. So its a factory sunroof.

Ok so Im not ONLY looking for a sunroof coupe, it just happens to have one, and i wanted to know more.

Can I ask, does it add any realistic value to a 69T? 5%-10%?

I know that for 356 sunroof coupes are alot rarer and can add as much as 25%, some of the restoration books i have actually say that the restoration cost of a coupe is not justifed unless it was a sunroof coupe, but this was 10 years ago!

[ossiblue]

Tough question. Personally, I like sunroofs but having read this and other forums for several years, there are many that don't--mainly for the lack of headroom. On an early car, like a '69, I think a sunroof would add a bit to the value, but I couldn't guess how much. Typically, a car with a sunroof option also had other options as well so, as a package, the value would be higher--things like S gauges, brakes, and trim. Factory sunroof 911's were rare, but the comparison with 356's, as far as the increase in value, isn't there, IMO.

[strictly]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

Tough question. Personally, I like sunroofs but having read this and other forums for several years, there are many that don't--mainly for the lack of headroom. On an early car, like a '69, I think a sunroof would add a bit to the value, but I couldn't guess how much. Typically, a car with a sunroof option also had other options as well so, as a package, the value would be higher--things like S gauges, brakes, and trim. Factory sunroof 911's were rare, but the comparison with 356's, as far as the increase in value, isn't there, IMO.

Good analysis, thats what i was thinking. Cool, well i will try and not pay a premimum for it, it terms of buying the car, more just a cherry on the cake. Im looking forward to my next project =)

Luke