1965 vin or 1966?

Hey guys I was told this car is a '66 but my 'peter morgan- original 911' book says otherwise? VIN: 303010

can anyone confirm which it is?

Thanks

[Steve@Rennsport]

1965 according to Paternie; '66 according to PCA.

You need to order a COA from your local dealer.

whoa...trippy. Thank you for the input Steve. much appreciated

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by revsup57

whoa...trippy. Thank you for the input Steve. much appreciated

Do you own this car?

[pors1968]

What is your paint code.

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by Steve@Rennsport

1965 according to Paternie;...

Late in the run, split year; Jan 65- July 65: 300236-303390,

3,154 produced

Engine Serial # 900361-903550

[djpateman]

This has long been a topic that is open to interpretation. It really depend on how you want to look at it. The factory made no definitive separation, and generally wanted the 911 & 912 to be seen as early introduction 1966 models except when it suited them for homologation purposes. Indeed, for certain racing classes even some 1966 built models with Solex carbs are called 1965.

However, one can find certain characterstics that tend to define a 1965 model: a 64xx paint code, a kneepad that is straight and not curved up at each end, a small ignition bezel. Paint codes are a great way to define a model year, however there are many special codes that were available as extra cost options in later model years. Another change was in the transmission serial number series, but I am not certain how many early codes were used on the first bunch of 1966 models to use them up. Generally I find the transition from 1965 to 1966 near 302000, but it is not a clear-cut change. In fact I know of one 3017xx serial with a 66xx paint code that was for a special customer, so I guess if you had enough influence then you could get next years color early. Many 66xx codes apear in the 1900 range but some 64xx codes linger to about 2060.

"Late in the run, split year; Jan 65- July 65: 300236-303390": not July, but December.
The 1966 model VIN's ended about 304956; so about 2000 1965 & 2960 1966

[leftfootbrake]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Do you own this car?

yes. but no title.

Originally Posted by pors1968

What is your paint code.

6604

Originally Posted by djpateman

This has long been a topic that is open to interpretation. It really depend on how you want to look at it. The factory made no definitive separation, and generally wanted the 911 & 912 to be seen as early introduction 1966 models except when it suited them for homologation purposes. Indeed, for certain racing classes even some 1966 built models with Solex carbs are called 1965.

However, one can find certain characterstics that tend to define a 1965 model: a 64xx paint code, a kneepad that is straight and not curved up at each end, a small ignition bezel. Paint codes are a great way to define a model year, however there are many special codes that were available as extra cost options in later model years. Another change was in the transmission serial number series, but I am not certain how many early codes were used on the first bunch of 1966 models to use them up. Generally I find the transition from 1965 to 1966 near 302000, but it is not a clear-cut change. In fact I know of one 3017xx serial with a 66xx paint code that was for a special customer, so I guess if you had enough influence then you could get next years color early. Many 66xx codes apear in the 1900 range but some 64xx codes linger to about 2060.

"Late in the run, split year; Jan 65- July 65: 300236-303390": not July, but December.
The 1966 model VIN's ended about 304956; so about 2000 1965 & 2960 1966

much appreciated. Thank you for the info

[Fleming]

Porsche was interested in selling all of the 356's that were being made in 1965, it was the largest production year over it's 17 year history. It's announcement of the "last year of production", spiked sales to record numbers - and 356's were still being made into 1966 - the Dutch Police cars.

Because of the demand for the outgoing cars, Porsche was slower than planned to gear up production on the new model.

Here is the the official notice sent to US dealers that they should sell all 911's from serial number 300 001 (that was the 1964 year cars) plus all cars made in year 1965 as new cars with the Model year 1966. The US DOT only recognized a model year 1965 Porsche as a 4 cyl 356. The first DOT recognized year of 911 was given as Model year 1966.

But we have since been able to decipher 1964 made cars September 14 thru the end of December to total 232 cars and January 1965 thru June came to "about serial number 302 000" by the paint code "64xx". The factory's intention is evident in the paint code stamped on each car when it change to the 1966/1967 colors code "66xx". These cars were made from July 1965 till the end of the year including car 303 390, January 1966 started with car 303 391 till the end of the sequence numbers 305 100. After that, starting in mid-August, the model year 1967's were made.

Cars delivered to Europe held to giving Model years to it's own standard, this is why some car have paper work saying model year 1965, and why inquires going thru Germany will sometimes use (50 years after the fact) a 1965 year/model even though a car was intended to be sold thru it's USA dealers.




And the production numbers on a calendar may help.



Since the begining authors have used the same research but failed to notice a MODEL YEAR can be in TWO calender years, that is why such wide differences in all the books for starting and ending serial numbers.

[Steve@Rennsport]

Originally Posted by Fleming

Since the beginning authors have used the same research but failed to notice a MODEL YEAR can be in TWO calender years, that is why such wide differences in all the books for starting and ending serial numbers.

Correct! Its important to remember that the factory has ALWAYS closed down in August for MY changeover. July production was always titled as the previous year cars and Sept production started the new model year cars.

[Matt Monson]

And to further complicate things there is registration and title. My 912 was made in 10-66. It somehow made it to CA and was titled before year end. Dmv paperwork calls it a 66, but you and I know this is a MY67 car.