The next cool collar? Would you buy this for $89?

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

Okay, these guys are hammering me to carry this. It seems like an intelligent idea, and these things have indeed been around for years. This seems like an improvement on it, but is it really worth $79 more than the $10 JC Whitney one?

http://www.filtermag.com

What do you think?

-Wayne

Zendalar · 11-25-2002, 01:38 AM

I am sceptic as always

Well, not all particles that come out the engine parts are magnetic.

Also one has to think about the amount of oil flowing through the filter, the pressure might be so big that the magnet can't do much "holding" the particles in one place.

RazorRacer · 11-25-2002, 02:49 AM

Making fuel gas conditioning systems and lube oils systems for gas turbines, I know a thing or two about filtration.

Wayne, can you find out the size filtration and removal efficiency of the filters you carry now?

For example, one of the filters we sell for gas turbines have a 0.1 micron particulate removal with a 99.98% efficiency.

Personally, I would opt for a tighter filter than this device that claims 2 micron metal particulate removal.

The down side to tighter filtration is more frequent changing. But based on the people on the BBS, I don't think that's a problem.

dtw · 11-25-2002, 03:53 AM

89 bones for a magnet? This might go over well with the medicinal magnet crowd but I won't be buying one...

Noel · 11-25-2002, 04:15 AM

Now, how am I going to use that in conjuction with my coolcollar? Wayne, don't force me to make a tough decision like that.

Seriously, my comment is always, if it is THAT big of an improvement/benefit, then the car companies that spend hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D would put them on their cars. Hell, all oil filters would be magnetic for that matter.

I'll pass.

Noel

RoninLB · 11-25-2002, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
[. This seems like an improvement on it, but is it really worth $79 more than the $10 JC Whitney one?
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What do you think?

-Wayne [/B]

I think that any product that even smells like JC Whitney is a turn off.. won't waste your brain arguing good/bad. who cares.. maintain a class act, period............Ron

Jim Sims · 11-25-2002, 04:35 AM

There's nothing special about neodymium iron boron permanent magnets anymore. They're everywhere as in every Walkman headset, etc. It probably helps some to put magnets on the filter, in fact if I were running synthetic oil for 12,000 miles between changes I might put magnets on the filter and change the oil filter every 3000 miles. But since I'm running dino oil and changing it often, I can do 3 changes including the Mahle oil filters for the cost of one magnet assembly. Not a good deal. Jim

JonT · 11-25-2002, 04:40 AM

I'll only buy it if it comes with a kewl sticker.

jmohn · jmohn's Garage

In a word ... NO. But it's your circus, run it the way you want.

Jerry M

dickster · 11-25-2002, 04:57 AM

LOL what a load of B*ll*cks

"metal particles 'cause the engine to wear"?

i thought they were the result of engine wear.

BlueSkyJaunte · 05:45 AM

It makes sense at the "intuitive layman's" level but show me the data from an independent tester.

Oh, and "we paid so-and-so to perform an independent test" doesn't have the ring of unbiased reporting to me. Anyone who's familiar with the MindCraft/Microsoft shenanigans, grin and nod knowingly!

If I had 89 bones to spare I'd spend it elsewhere. Like on a crate of Castrol and a new filter.

MrKJBlue · MrKJBlue's Garage

What I really need is a magnetic cool collar, but I suppose if it works on drain plugs it would work on a filter, at least with the plugs you can see whats there when you change oil.

dad911 · 11-25-2002, 06:20 AM

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I suppose if it works on drain plugs it would work on a filter

except wouldn't the metal filter housing block the magnetic field?

beepbeep · 08:50 AM

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Okay, these guys are hammering me to carry this. It seems like an intelligent idea, and these things have indeed been around for years.

Errr...Wayne, you really surprize me sometimes. Snake oil has also been around for years...while it's still possible to make money by taking advantage of people (cool-colar, electric supercharger, 80$ of magnets around oil filter

), it's kinda questionable to say the least.

Personally, i would stay away from a company that sells snake-oil stuff (even if they offer ordinary products)... it's a question of credibility.

I really hope that you are not going to add this product to Pelican stock.

Chuck Moreland · 11-25-2002, 08:06 AM

I think the concept is sound, the price high, and on Porsches the product redundant.

Porsche thinks a magnet in the oil is a good idea, thats why we have three in our cars (oil tank, sump, trans).

I like having the magnet in the drain plug. It's a diagnostic tool. I inspect the particles that collect when I change oil. How much, how large.

Since our cars already have two magnets in the engine oil, I'm not sure adding more magnets actually pulls out any more matalic particles.

I'm also not sure about field penetration through the metal case of the filter. Might be a problem.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

I have done some independent testing and found that this device conflicts with my flux capacitor. As such, it is useless to me. Those with lesser vehicles like Carreras might want to try it though

Instead of carrying these magnets, why not sell some porn? At least that has some tangible use.

island911 · 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by beepbeep
Errr...Wayne, you really surprize me sometimes. Snake oil has also been around for years...while it's still possible to make money by taking advantage of people (cool-colar, electric supercharger, 80$ of magnets around oil filter ), it's kinda questionable.

Personally, i would stay away from a company that also sells snake-oil ... it's a question of credibility.

But money is money and this is your BBS...

The projected theme, of this site, started with advocacy and smart support of Porsches cars/owners. That theme gets watered-down with various non-Porsche additions. And, gets completely undermined by snake-oil products.

Moses · 11-25-2002, 08:50 AM

Who thinks this crap up?

Before I'd buy one I want to see evidence. I want to see the particulate metal recovered by this device. I want to compare the metal recovery to a filter without the device. Then, I want them to demonstrate that the engine with the magnetic filter showed less wear, lasted longer, ran better, or looked prettier. They haven't demonstrated a single benefit to the product.

I would hope that objective evidence of performance would be a marketing prerequisite.

TRE Cup · TRE Cup's Garage

fashion designed magnets for your oil filter- boy this OBD2 thing is really getting the aftermarket some things to think about! I can't see any advantage of this wazoo version over the JC Whitney part- both have enough magnetic power to do the job

beepbeep · 11-25-2002, 09:11 AM

Personaly, when somebody tries to sell me something like Cool Colar i feel as he is questioning my inteligence.

I don't know much about P-car demography, but i believe that owners of (older) P-cars have good enough education to see trough this kind of scam...

It might be just me who is a sceptical and conservative, as i just survived IT-bubble where this "if we make this profit with 10 persons, let's employ 20 more and triple cash flow" -concept run many good companies into ground.