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JQ911 12-04-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gregoryp (Post 8904363)
JQ911, Does your replica tail have a rubber lip, or is it painted black to look like rubber?

Hi, It's all fiberglass and painted the lip black to mimic the rubber.

VFR750 12-05-2015 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JQ911 (Post 8904471)
Hi, It's all fiberglass and painted the lip black to mimic the rubber.

Which is what I did too

Interestingly that is what Porsche did too on the 934. There was one of the Jaegermeister 934s at Daytona a few years back. Got close to it on display and was surprised at the fake rubber.

Later on, after the race, when it was getting ready to be loaded onto the transporter, I asked them how'd they make it look like rubber. Spray truck bed liner. Works great! And it's what they did for a real 934 restoration. :)

javadog 12-05-2015 03:32 AM

I think you'll find that a 934 rolled out of the factory gates with a rubber lip on the tail. What got changed after that is anybody's guess.

JR

VFR750 12-05-2015 03:43 AM

That may be true. But in 2008/9 historic restoration form, it was a one piece fiberglass unit.

But it really doesn't matter too much. It is correct to have a tail if you want to. Or go without.

Surprised this delve into to the ducktail vs whale tail discussion. :)

javadog 12-05-2015 03:57 AM

People tend to restore a race car to how it looked in a certain time. Maybe when it rolled out of the gates, maybe how it looked after its last race, maybe after some big event in its career. Personal choice, for the owner...

What ducktail discussion?

Bill Verburg 12-05-2015 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8904819)
I think you'll find that a 934 rolled out of the factory gates with a rubber lip on the tail. What got changed after that is anybody's guess.

JR

The factory being aware of the weight issue, used all f/g on the race cars.

Another example is the '74 Carrera 3.0RS which was delivered w/ 2 tails
the street one w/ rubber lip
the longer race one all f/g

TüV mandated the change from the ducktail to the street whale mit gummi lip for pedestrian safety.

javadog 12-05-2015 08:03 AM

Man, I hate to argue with you but the 934 was originally delivered with a rubber lip on the tail. It was homologated into group 4 which had a minimum weight limit of 1120 Kg., so the factory didn't get too excited about weight reduction.

Check out these pictures here:

1976 Porsche 934 Turbo for sale: Anamera

It's an original, unraced, unrestored 934 that spent most of it's life in various Japanese car collections.

JR

javadog 12-05-2015 08:22 AM

Original 934 tail, picture from post #143 of the long thread on tails:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449336103.jpg

panzerfaust 12-05-2015 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg (Post 8904894)
The factory being aware of the weight issue, used all f/g on the race cars.

Another example is the '74 Carrera 3.0RS which was delivered w/ 2 tails
the street one w/ rubber lip
the longer race one all f/g

TüV mandated the change from the ducktail to the street whale mit gummi lip for pedestrian safety.

Long tail was also avalible in rubber as I recall... So that makes it 3 tails?

winders 12-05-2015 09:10 AM

1976 Porsche 934 - Images, Specifications and Information

"The Group 4 regulations allowed for only very few modifications to the body. As a result, the production rear-wing had to be used, which was also one of the reasons that a conventional intercooler could not be fitted."

This certainly suggests the rubber lipped tail was used in Group 4 races.

group911@aol.co 12-05-2015 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by panzerfaust (Post 8905199)
Long tail was also avalible in rubber as I recall... So that makes it 3 tails?

And that was this tail. I think it became a problem because it extended beyond the rear bumper so was a problem with street regulations.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449339537.jpg

Bill Verburg 12-05-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 8905218)
And that was this tail. I think it became a problem because it extended beyond the rear bumper so was a problem with street regulations.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449339537.jpg

Hmm, I've seen those but never loked at them closely, I just assumed that they were the regular long all f/g versions,

Anyhow, IROCs used the long all f/g version

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449349363.jpg

as did '74 3.0RSR
here''s the RSR kit, part # for the long all f/g tail 911.512.010.20
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449349429.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449349452.jpg

The same was done for the SC/RS I can't find the pics just now have pics but the all f/g part # was 953.512.001.01R the regular 2 piece f/g one w/ rubber lip was 911.512.010..07 for the deck w/ integral base + 911.512.19.00

rattlsnak 12-05-2015 01:46 PM

I think the '84 and up Carrera tail looks best, then the Weissach one. Whatever you do, don't put a 'turbo' tail on a narrow body car.. ugh..

panzerfaust 12-06-2015 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferrino (Post 8903884)
Early Carrera/Weissach tail all the way!

Cough, I have a factory original for sale!

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/...pslqxevidp.jpg

. I wish I can afford yours... Ran into some bad luck with house repairs

Quote:

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 8905218)
And that was this tail. I think it became a problem because it extended beyond the rear bumper so was a problem with street regulations.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449339537.jpg

Yes that's the one... Any idea how much all these early pre-tea tray factory tails weigh ? I was told mine yea tray is around 40lbs. I would like to get an early type.
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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg (Post 8905415)
Hmm, I've seen those but never loked at them closely, I just assumed that they were the regular long all f/g versions,

Anyhow, IROCs used the long all f/g version

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449349363.jpg

as did '74 3.0RSR
here''s the RSR kit, part # for the long all f/g tail 911.512.010.20
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449349429.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449349452.jpg

The same was done for the SC/RS I can't find the pics just now have pics but the all f/g part # was 953.512.001.01R the regular 2 piece f/g one w/ rubber lip was 911.512.010..07 for the deck w/ integral base + 911.512.19.00

That b&w photo? What kind of seat is that? Pretty darn cool reminds me of some of the early scheel seats. I've been thinking off lollipops but these may do as well.... Sorry for the hijack!

Bill Verburg 12-07-2015 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by panzerfaust (Post 8907266)
. I wish I can afford yours... Ran into some bad luck with house repairs


Yes that's the one... Any idea how much all these early pre-tea tray factory tails weigh ? I was told mine yea tray is around 40lbs. I would like to get an early type.


That b&w photo? What kind of seat is that? Pretty darn cool reminds me of some of the early scheel seats. I've been thinking off lollipops but these may do as well.... Sorry for the hijack!

No idea, the pic is from Barth's book 'Porsche R - RS - RSR' and is labeled as taken at Kremer Brothers' headquarters, the body kit necessary for an RSR

As to weights
my Shaw spoiler is 9# and the bare steel deck lid is 9#

Racerbvd 12-07-2015 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VFR750 (Post 8904827)
That may be true. But in 2008/9 historic restoration form, it was a one piece fiberglass unit.

But it really doesn't matter too much. It is correct to have a tail if you want to. Or go without.

Surprised this delve into to the ducktail vs whale tail discussion. :)

Hey, I love my Duck on my SC:cool:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449502273.jpg

Course I also have the OEM lid, a complete 930 wing, a complete 84-89 Carrera tail, a CF 3.8 wing (gonna move that over to my 81SC track build)
Course I'm a nut who likes to have choices for my 911s (although my 81 only has a duck, 77 Turbo lid & 930 for it)

The ROW option

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Replacement rear rubber spoiler blade, an "ROW" option. This is a rare version of the "Tea Tray" type spoiler, this piece is made completely of rubber.
This is the rubber portion only, this is not an upgrade. This is a replacement part only. Comes as shown. This spoiler was optional on 1975-1980 models, may have been used on other applications.

Suncoast Porsche Parts & Accessories Replacement SC Rubber Spoiler Blade
And on the 934 wings..
Quote:

I think you'll find that a 934 rolled out of the factory gates with a rubber lip on the tail. What got changed after that is anybody's guess.

JR
A former friend use to have one on his SC, a gift that was removed from a famous 934 racers car, stiff, rubber lip & all.

javadog 12-07-2015 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd (Post 8907584)
The ROW option...

For those keeping score, the all-rubber tail was not just a ROW option. It was available on US cars, too, and there are a few still out there. Probably not a popular option in its time, so you don't see all that many of them. As other choices become available, I suspect a lot of the rubber tails were swapped out for something else.

JR

panzerfaust 12-07-2015 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg (Post 8907451)
No idea, the pic is from Barth's book 'Porsche R - RS - RSR' and is labeled as taken at Kremer Brothers' headquarters, the body kit necessary for an RSR

As to weights
my Shaw spoiler is 9# and the bare steel deck lid is 9#

I wonder who kremer commissioned those seats from.

9lbs is pretty lights for the steel lid So your whale tail is roughly half of my tea tray.... Nice. I'm at 2615 lb with my 491 street car . Looking for another 100lbs

Anyone have an early tail for me with no grill or maybe the smaller 2nd one too? Stock would be great or a very very nice fitting aftermarket one.

Racerbvd 12-07-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8907602)
For those keeping score, the all-rubber tail was not just a ROW option. It was available on US cars, too, and there are a few still out there. Probably not a popular option in its time, so you don't see all that many of them. As other choices become available, I suspect a lot of the rubber tails were swapped out for something else.

JR

Yes, I have seen a few here as well, heavy beast too, also a "Rust Sponge" .
Go with what you like, but don't install it on the OEM lid, buy another or a complete wing. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449507725.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449507825.jpg
If you look close, you can see a gap between the rubber & base.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449507895.jpg

78scapple 11-01-2016 12:40 PM

Spoiler
 
I took possession of a 1978 911 SC Targa and it had the all-
rubber spoiler. It was actually removed and the motor lid was completely redone with a complete re-paint of the vehicle. I am not re-installing it as I think the car looks much better without it.


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