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911 Rod 12-08-2015 11:59 AM

Does't your front spoiler hit when you jack up the back so much?

Mick_D 12-08-2015 12:06 PM

Not if you remove it before you jack up the car;)

yelcab1 12-08-2015 12:07 PM

Remove the rear valence and bumper gives you more room. Still have to jack the car up to uncomfortable height to get the engine out. Once it is out, I lower the car to a more respectable height.

Markymike 12-08-2015 12:09 PM

I've done it with the bumper on and the bumper off. It's a lot of work to take the bumper off for the two inches of clearance it will buy you. Time is better spent jacking it up two inches higher.

cabmandone 12-08-2015 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 8909579)
Does't your front spoiler hit when you jack up the back so much?

Nope, never touched the ground. When I lower I come in from behind the front tire and lift on the front cross member (gasp!) and lower it to the floor then pull the jack out.

pjd131 12-08-2015 04:13 PM

I used Esco jacks and jack tool
 
I removed the rear valance and bumper. I have 4 Esco jack stand that I used. Don't know the exact height but will dig out a jack stand and measure. My car (89 3.2) has the 4 flat jack points.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623343.jpg

Jack position

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623376.jpg


Tool that sits on jack and holds engine. This is for a 3.2 but I believe there is one for the other 911s.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623521.jpg

911 Rod 12-09-2015 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjd131 (Post 8909967)
I removed the rear valance and bumper. I have 4 Esco jack stand that I used. Don't know the exact height but will dig out a jack stand and measure. My car (89 3.2) has the 4 flat jack points.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623343.jpg

Jack position

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623376.jpg


Tool that sits on jack and holds engine. This is for a 3.2 but I believe there is one for the other 911s.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623521.jpg

Wow. You have some nice tools for lifting. Might have been cheaper to buy a lift. :D

irl 12-09-2015 05:45 AM

Love the cart too but you will get slot more future use with a low profile motorcycle jack.

2jmotorsports 12-09-2015 06:34 AM

Just did this with a pair of ramps under the front wheels and a pair of 12 ton jack stands in the rear. Bumper off. Stands still had more height to go but this was the minimum. Car was/is very stable in this position too.

I have a cheap motorcycle jack with a wooden block holding up the engine/tranny under the engine sump plate.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449384888.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449384906.jpg

yelcab1 12-09-2015 06:37 AM

A lot of things will work. For me, 2 jacks, 2 jack stands, 1 furniture moving dolly. 2 hours.

wayner 12-09-2015 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2jmotorsports (Post 8910639)
Just did this with a pair of ramps under the front wheels and a pair of 12 ton jack stands in the rear. Bumper off. Stands still had more height to go but this was the minimum. Car was/is very stable in this position too.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449384888.jpg

When the front was up I needed a few more inches, otherwise there was too much rubbing so I put the front on the floor and the rear pivoted up higher for easier extraction. Once I did that it, it went quickly and was over before I knew it.

APachon71RN 12-09-2015 07:58 AM

How thick did your concrete have to be for the Max Jax 2? How do the mounting plates work? I am thinking this is the route I will have to go.

~Andy

Quote:

Originally Posted by notfarnow (Post 8909163)
They are the cat's ass for those of us with small, or low garages. I couldn't have a 2 post lift installed permanently in my small garage, and I love the idea of having mounting plates located in different spots in the garage.


OsoMoore 12-09-2015 08:12 AM

Don't forget you can detach the engine and transmission after only raising the car a little bit. Then raise the car off of the engine and slide it out. For installation, slide the engine underneath and then lower the car on top of it.

Much easier than balancing the engine as you raise it 2 feet off the ground.

will hung 12-09-2015 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjd131 (Post 8909967)
I removed the rear valance and bumper. I have 4 Esco jack stand that I used. Don't know the exact height but will dig out a jack stand and measure. My car (89 3.2) has the 4 flat jack points.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623343.jpg

Jack position

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623376.jpg


Tool that sits on jack and holds engine. This is for a 3.2 but I believe there is one for the other 911s.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449623521.jpg

I used one of these along with the low profile Jack that Wayne sells through this site. Can not recommend both more. Made removal of the drivetrain a breeze. No wobbling about or anything.

Also, I've used one of those hydraulic tables before too. The jack with sump adapter was way better.

sand_man 12-09-2015 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OsoMoore (Post 8910831)
Don't forget you can detach the engine and transmission after only raising the car a little bit. Then raise the car off of the engine and slide it out. For installation, slide the engine underneath and then lower the car on top of it.

Much easier than balancing the engine as you raise it 2 feet off the ground.

This is how I've always done it. Jack and support the car only high enough to safely work under and get the engine to the floor using an ATV/motorcycle jack, and then jack the car high enough (sorry I don't recall the measurement) to slide that baby out. I used a floor jack on each side of the car. Once out, the car goes back down. On my 930, I used to remove the rear bumper. I have not yet removed the engine from my 993.

irl 12-09-2015 12:05 PM

Not my picture but this is a great shot from another Pelican ;) that shows how a very inexpensive jack and a sheet of plywood do an amazing job. You will get much more use of of this jack than the table lift and its 1/4 of the expense. I love this setup and added casters to the bottom of my plywood so I can roll it around once down. When going back in just use a second jack under the front of the transmission to give it some angle. I do this without needing an additional person.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449694922.jpg

notfarnow 12-09-2015 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APachon71RN (Post 8910805)
How thick did your concrete have to be for the Max Jax 2? How do the mounting plates work? I am thinking this is the route I will have to go.

~Andy

To clarify, I don't have a MaxJax yet. Almost did, but moved and now have a garage that would need a new floor poured to install one.

If I remember correctly, it's 4" of 3000psi. Most people find that a bit sketchy, and frankly most of us don't know *for sure* what we have for a slab, so there are many threads where people jackhammer out a section and repour so they can feel safe. The supplied hardware has bolts that go into the concrete, but many people weld up plates that get embedded into the concrete when they pour a floor/section

wachuko 12-09-2015 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notfarnow (Post 8911340)
To clarify, I don't have a MaxJax yet. Almost did, but moved and now have a garage that would need a new floor poured to install one.

If I remember correctly, it's 4" of 3000psi. Most people find that a bit sketchy, and frankly most of us don't know *for sure* what we have for a slab, so there are many threads where people jackhammer out a section and repour so they can feel safe. The supplied hardware has bolts that go into the concrete, but many people weld up plates that get embedded into the concrete when they pour a floor/section

This ^ - 4" minimal and at least 3000psi concrete...

I used the recommended anchors an also used concrete epoxy as additional safety measure.... I move them around depending on the task. I have a setup in the single bay and then two widths setups in the double bay depending on the car I am lifting (helping out friends).

Garage Journal has several good threads on it... here is one: Maxjax Installs: Post Here - The Garage Journal Board

And since we all love photos... a few from me...

In the single bay:

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc05165_medium.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/038_800x600.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc05173_medium.jpg

The rest are in the double bay.

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc04820sm.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/inspect0.jpg


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s...R/Paint-49.jpg

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/964_on_lift.jpg


http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc05136sm.jpg


http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc00786sm.jpg


http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/dsc_0020_800x600.jpg

sempaipaul 12-09-2015 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2jmotorsports (Post 8910639)
Just did this with a pair of ramps under the front wheels and a pair of 12 ton jack stands in the rear. Bumper off. Stands still had more height to go but this was the minimum. Car was/is very stable in this position too.

I have a cheap motorcycle jack with a wooden block holding up the engine/tranny under the engine sump plate.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449384888.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449384906.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 8910526)
Wow. You have some nice tools for lifting. Might have been cheaper to buy a lift. :D

Could someone measure the dimensions of those engines? I am trying to figure out whether I can fit it into my cayenne with the seats down or, if I need to rent a pick up truck.

After all I have decided to let my indy take it all out :D

Thanks,
Paul

peppy 12-09-2015 04:24 PM

This was with the engine balanced on a floor jack.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449710544.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449710592.jpg


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