Pelican Parts Forums

Pelican Parts Forums (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/)
-   Porsche 911 Technical Forum (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/)
-   -   Classic Retrofit CDI+: Dyno Results (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/894670-classic-retrofit-cdi-dyno-results.html)

Jonny042 12-06-2018 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mothy (Post 10274282)
I have to agree with Jeff above.

Plus best value for me in that it replaced an old and risky device with something modern, adjustable, that increased performance in the area where I spend most of my time in the lower rev range.

The ability to avoid a costly 10k rev tacho conversion and have an adjustable rev limiter is a big bonus.

Cost difference with other alternatives is not big.

To me it represented good value. Thanks to Jonny for helping keep our older cars running well.

Tim

Along with all the above things, the ability to have adjustable control over the MFI cutoff solenoid is a huge plus for me, since I did not have the original speed sensitive relay. Again avoiding 40 year old electronics, and simplifying the car, and not adding another box from May Suddenly Die (MSD).

In fact I was one of the first to ask about this as a possibility (I think I figured that instead of controlling a shift light, it would be simple to connect it to the circuit for the cutoff solenoid). Jonny's response was to get back to me in the affirmative after looking into it, and now, after a simple software update, it is listed among the features. How is that for service and support?

Jonny042 12-06-2018 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mothy (Post 10274282)
I have to agree with Jeff above.

Plus best value for me in that it replaced an old and risky device with something modern, adjustable, that increased performance in the area where I spend most of my time in the lower rev range.

The ability to avoid a costly 10k rev tacho conversion and have an adjustable rev limiter is a big bonus.

Cost difference with other alternatives is not big.

To me it represented good value. Thanks to Jonny for helping keep our older cars running well.

Tim

You forgot the ability to lock out the distributor curve and program it with the CDI+!

QueWhy 12-12-2018 04:26 PM

I’m looking to switch from CIS to carbs. I know I need the distributor recurved and the ignition upgraded (MSD seems to be common). Would I be able to solve both of these problems with a CDI+ unit?

Jonny H 12-12-2018 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QueWhy (Post 10282355)
I’m looking to switch from CIS to carbs. I know I need the distributor recurved and the ignition upgraded (MSD seems to be common). Would I be able to solve both of these problems with a CDI+ unit?

In a word, yes. As long as the distributor bearings are ok, save your money on a rebuild and mechanical recurve.

Also, see post 163 a few pages back for a CIS car coverted to carbs. You can expect some pretty nice results!

QueWhy 12-13-2018 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny H (Post 10282573)
In a word, yes. As long as the distributor bearings are ok, save your money on a rebuild and mechanical recurve.

Also, see post 163 a few pages back for a CIS car coverted to carbs. You can expect some pretty nice results!

Awesome, thanks for the quick reply. I think a CDI+ will be my first step, I can use it with my current CIS setup and then with the carbs when I finally get everything else purchased and ready to install.

Lundegaard 06-07-2019 06:57 AM

Very impressed with performance increase CDI+
 
Just mounted classicretrofit CDI+on my 1980 911 sc with lamba.
Had it on Dyno in October 2018 just before I drove it in the garage for the winter and it showed 176.8 HP at 4900 rpm and 267NM at 4200 rpm which I was actually very pleased with when the factory spec says 247NM.
But just look what the numbers show now after classic retrofit ignition is mounted, I'm impressed.
191.4HP at 4500 rpm and 294NM at 4200 rpm on a complete standard engine.
The only change is the classic retrofit ignition and another air filter inlet box, nothing else.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1559919300.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1559919300.JPG

Jonny H 06-07-2019 01:38 PM

^ Thanks for posting. Nice result and well done for bringing this back on topic!

I must admit the first few pages of this thread wore me down so it is really nice to see people take the time to post their actual experiences.

Jonny H 02-26-2021 09:21 AM

Nice little 69 T 2.0. These early LWB cars ran standard inductive ignition, with only the E and S models getting CDI systems.

Big uplift in performance installing CDI+ with no other modifications. Still runs the original Marelli Distributor.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1614363886.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/CLqthPOl5kX/

mar2mar 02-26-2021 11:41 AM

I've been using a CDI+ on my 70S for the past 4 years and I highly recommend it. It is a solid high quality product. From idle to redline car runs smother, and with less vibrations compared to my rebuilt Bosch CDI.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1614369401.jpg

Fubawu 02-26-2021 12:26 PM

Do you have any comparisons to the MSD 6AL?

Jonny H 02-26-2021 12:29 PM

Thanks for the post. Early 'S' models do seem to respond particularly well.

Lovely looking car btw.

Jonny H 02-26-2021 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fubawu (Post 11240955)
Do you have any comparisons to the MSD 6AL?

Oddly, only on a Jaguar E-type 3.8 6 cylinder. Both MSD and CDI+ made around 25HP over the standard Kettering system. CDI+ showed better mid range power ( 3000 - 5000 ). MSD is not that common over here (UK). In fact, I don't know any 911 engine builders in the UK or mainland Europe who use MSD.

CDI+ is plug and play with the original coil, leads, cap, rotor and it looks right in the engine bay.

MSD wants a new coil (which is a $10 Chinese made coil) , leads and removing resistors from rotors. The primary coil voltage is ridiculously high at 530 volts which is more demanding of coils, leads and also why the rotor resistor burns out. Plus, all that bright red makes my eyes hurt. :)

By spec:

MSD : Voltage 530v. Spark Interval 1000us, Multispark to: 3000 RPM

CDI+: Voltage 400V. Spark Interval 400us, Dual spark to: 12000 RPM

Mark Henry 02-26-2021 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny H (Post 11241024)
MSD is not that common over here (UK). In fact, I don't know any 911 engine builders in the UK or mainland Europe who use MSD.

CDI+ is plug and play with the original coil, leads, cap, rotor and it looks right in the engine bay.

MSD wants a new coil (which is a $10 Chinese made coil) , leads and removing resistors from rotors. The primary coil voltage is ridiculously high at 530 volts which is more demanding of coils, leads and also why the rotor resistor burns out.

Builders use them because they're cheap and plentiful this side of the pond.
Their primary coil voltage is ridiculously high because they are made to fire monster V8's with blowers. In my case, 914/6 conversion, they're a good solution when you have none of the original kit. Plus my PMS/Jarvis/Jaguar twin plug dizzy has MSD guts, so for me it's a plug in.

mysocal911 02-26-2021 08:08 PM

A more recent discussion is here;

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1086299-best-advance-curve-sc-180-hp-row-full-stock-3.html

RDM 08-13-2021 04:29 AM

After delaying for two years thinking it was something else, I finally ponied up for the CDI+. Installation was 10 minutes (including checking the timing before and after), and the car runs much better. The mid-range stumble when tipping in the throttle is gone now, and the idle is rock solid. Well thought out, well executed product.

I plan on doing the study and locking down the distributor as part of winter projects. Does anyone have a curve they like for an SC with 964 cams and SSIs that I can use as a starting point?

Strangely, my wife believes the car is quieter now, too. Any basis for that? I'll take it either way....

mike sampsel 08-13-2021 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDM (Post 11423158)
After delaying for two years thinking it was something else, I finally ponied up for the CDI+. Installation was 10 minutes (including checking the timing before and after), and the car runs much better. The mid-range stumble when tipping in the throttle is gone now, and the idle is rock solid. Well thought out, well executed product.

I plan on doing the study and locking down the distributor as part of winter projects. Does anyone have a curve they like for an SC with 964 cams and SSIs that I can use as a starting point?

Strangely, my wife believes the car is quieter now, too. Any basis for that? I'll take it either way....

marvelous, simply marvelous. Dru.
I'll be watching and learning.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:54 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website


DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.