Pelicans in Europe: ER Bushing tools?

[Niels911SC]

I am in the process of assembling all the tools and parts I need to do a front suspension refresh. What I have right now are:

- Ball joints and hardware (and the P210 tool, supplier let me borrow it for 5 bucks )
- Stabiliser rubbers
- Wheel bearings
- Control arm rubbers
- Turbo tie rods (already installed last year)

For the control arm rubbers I chose to go with rubbers from Porsche that are originally meant for the early 911s, part number 914 341 422 00, as described by chris_seven in this thread (Control arm bushing options 2015) they should work just as well on the later 911s.
The other reason is they're a lot cheaper than the ER rubber bushings (which is, I believe, the only other reliable, close to original bushing), especially with shipping and import tax to the Netherlands.
Porsche however doesn't deliver them with the nice tools ER does. Now they're of course not terribly difficult to produce, but as the saying goes in Dutch, I'd rather be lazy than tired.

So my question to any pelicanites close to the Netherlands, does anyone have these tools (essentially 2 pop-on extensions) and will they lend them to me in return for a crate of nice beers or a good bottle of wine?

P.S.: I know these kinds of threads work better when pictures are attached so here's the middle-aged lady:

[Niels911SC]

Guess I should have posted this while everyone here was awake and not at 2am

[RDM]

Neil,

I don't have the tools, but am working on rebuilding brakes and having Bilstein restore my struts (housings and inserts). I managed to screw up the ball joint boot, so will probably have to replace it. Which ball joint supplier lends the tool?

P.S. Nice car. Nice background!

[Niels911SC]

Hi Martin,

Thanks

On the ball joint tool: Parts-wise. I think their german website is Porsche Teile fόr neue und klassische Modelle - Parts-wise 911. Search for 00072128020LE, they'll charge you 5euro plus a security deposit which they return to you once you've returned the tool.

How much are Bilstein charging you for the insert rebuild? And where did you send them? The Dutch Bilstein supplier told me replacing the front inserts would be cheaper than rebuilding...

[Niels911SC]

Perhaps someone know the outside (but especially the inside) diameter of the control arm where the rear bushing goes?
Then I could draw something up and a buddy of mine might be able to make a 3D print of it...

For clarification, I'm looking for ID and OD:

[Driven97]

IMHO, you don't need the tool. Slice them the long way, heat the inside of the tube with a torch nice and even until you start to see smoke. Then peel them off. Wire wheel off what's left.

[Niels911SC]

I'm looking for an install tool; not a removal tool

For clarification this is one part (the most important one that I can perhaps make myself if I have the dimensions, for installation of the rearward bushing):


And the other tool is shown on this photo:

[Driven97]

D'oh! Reading comprehension is not my strength this morning. For install I used a 2x4 and a hammer.

[chris_seven]

laser Tools sell a Ball Joint Socket for about $15 which is easy to add an outer ring but for occasional use works well enough.

It is generally easier to cut off the old nut as even with the correct socket they are a PITA.

LASER TOOLS 2918 LOWER BALL JOINT SOCKET 35MM | eBay

If you juggle with a few sockets you should manage to change the control arm rubbers in around 30-40 minutes.

[Niels911SC]

Chris! Thanks but I've been able to borrow the original P-tool from a supplier.
I don't, however, have any tools/extensions to put on the bushings yet. How do you guys do it? Because you mount the 914 341 422 00 original Porsche rubber as well right?

[LuftWaffle]

Niels, I have the ER tools and if we lived closer you would be more than welcome to borrow them. However, I would be glad to measure the two pieces and provide you with the measurements so you could have them made if that would help. -John

[Niels911SC]

John, that would be great! If we lived closer I would buy you a well-tasting Belgian beer for it!
If you're able to post the measurements I'm going to try and fabricate something

[chris_seven]

Neils,

We used to fit the bushes with sockets and lengths of steel bar but we have now made a jig with a hand operated hydraulic cylinder so it only takes a few minutes.

We don't use the Porsche Bushes as we have had a mould tool made and have our own product.

[LuftWaffle]

Niels, Apologies in advance for my rusty drafting skills. Hopefully this gives you enough to go on. I have the drawing in Adobe Illustrator format and can email that to you if that would help. I would certainly take you up on the Belgian beer! I love Orval!

First, a couple of pictures.







Dimensions:

[Niels911SC]

Perfect! This gives me exactly enough to go on! We're putting it in solidworks as we speak
The easiest way would probably be to make it on a lathe but I don't have that at home versus a 3D printer that I do have access to. I'll probably make it solid in the middle for strength.
[By the way let me add that I am purely making this for personal use and have no intent of selling it in case this is patented or something]

John, have you ever tried Tripel Karmeliet?

[LuftWaffle]

Great! I hope that works well for you.

I have never seen Tripel Karmeliet here. Do you recommend it? I will keep my eye out for it but I live in a part of the world where Bud Light is considered beer!

Originally Posted by Niels911SC

Perfect! This gives me exactly enough to go on! We're putting it in solidworks as we speak
The easiest way would probably be to make it on a lathe but I don't have that at home versus a 3D printer that I do have access to. I'll probably make it solid in the middle for strength.
[By the way let me add that I am purely making this for personal use and have no intent of selling it in case this is patented or something]

John, have you ever tried Tripel Karmeliet?

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I see it's time for a Belgian to chime in This is the setup I used some time ago! Lots of soap and steady pressure did the trick! no need for fancy tools for using once although they are cool! 😉

[Niels911SC]

Looks good! Threaded bar idea is a good one; although it would mean removing the end cap and the torsion bar as well and I wasn't sure whether I was going to do that or not... haven't really decided yet.

This is the 3D render; ready to go into the 3D printer (thanks to that good buddy of mine )

[wrxnofx]

Hi Niels,

What material are you having these printed in? I'm thinking of doing the same thing.

Thanks to the dimensions provided by LuftWaffle, I made my own models. If anyone wants a copy in Creo (Pro/ENGINEER), let me know:

[chris_seven]

Surely cheaper to turn them from 6061-T6 than print them?