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Beaky 02-07-2016 02:34 PM

Dash lights & Switch
 
My interior dash lights (these are LED’s) have recently started to annoyingly constantly flicker.

First it was just the one bulb now several are doing it, by adjusting the dimmer setting they stop for a while then start flickering again.

Now I assume it’s the 30 year old dimmer circuitry that’s now malfunctioning and a new switch is in order.

As I always have all my cars dash lights set to maximum, I don’t care for or need the dimmer option.

Is there just a simply Porsche "on off" replacement switch that can be purchased or do I need to decommission the dimmer function on a new or on the old switch for that matter or can the dimmer element be by passed?

Regards

fanaudical 02-07-2016 02:42 PM

Interesting - the "dimmer" is just a variable resistor in the switch.

Is the flickering "constant" (meaning equal time on/off) or "intermittent" (meaning there is no discernible pattern to the flicker)?

DRACO A5OG 02-07-2016 02:51 PM

You could remove the switch, marking all the wires and inspect the rheostat. But before that I would check all the grounds to insure they nice and free from corrosion. If you have not do so, I would install a inline fuse as the black/blue wire is not fused.

kidrock 02-07-2016 03:23 PM

try dousing the rheostat dimmer switch with electrical contact spray before doing anything else...it's probably just dirty.

timmy2 02-07-2016 03:25 PM

If you want to bypass the rheostat just move the black/blue wire over to the grey wire terminal for the running lamps. You can look up the terminal number for your year to confirm. Fusing is always a good idea.

Beaky 02-07-2016 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 8988850)
Interesting - the "dimmer" is just a variable resistor in the switch.

Is the flickering "constant" (meaning equal time on/off) or "intermittent" (meaning there is no discernible pattern to the flicker)?

A bit of both but more than often its a constant flickering,

Beaky 02-07-2016 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 8988858)
You could remove the switch, marking all the wires and inspect the rheostat. But before that I would check all the grounds to insure they nice and free from corrosion. If you have not do so, I would install a inline fuse as the black/blue wire is not fused.

I have already installed the fuse, will check the earthing this evening

Beaky 02-07-2016 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8988875)
If you want to bypass the rheostat just move the black/blue wire over to the grey wire terminal for the running lamps. You can look up the terminal number for your year to confirm. Fusing is always a good idea.

In terms of a by pass I believe my wiring is a follows:

N - Grey/White
58l - 2 x Grey/Black
58r - 2 x Grey/Red
75 - 2 x Red/White
57 - White/Green
58a - Red in line fuse and then to the Blue/Black from the loom
58 - 2 x Grey
56 - White/Black

So move 58a to 58, what do I do with the grey wire just tape that up?

86 911 Targa 02-08-2016 12:03 AM

Light switch.
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1454922149.jpg
^^^^^
For our '86.
Hope this helps.

Good luck,

Gerry

timmy2 02-08-2016 01:05 AM

Should have a female spade with a male tab available on your wire. If not install one. Then just double it up keeping the license lamps in the circuit as well.

Beaky 02-08-2016 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8989193)
Should have a female spade with a male tab available on your wire. If not install one. Then just double it up keeping the license lamps in the circuit as well.

So has anyone tried this before (moving 58a to 58), does this work, and is there any issue about load on terminal 58?

Just a little concerned as I don't want to end up with fried wiring!:confused::(

timmy2 02-08-2016 09:08 AM

Led lamp load is what?
Current load on that cicuit now is 2 incandescent lamps.
Pretty negligible added together...
The load of the dash lights is already going through the switch, just on a different contact.
Your only other alternative is repair or replace the switch.

Pop a couple of led lamps in the license plate holders and you'll be fine...

famoroso 02-08-2016 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidrock (Post 8988872)
try dousing the rheostat dimmer switch with electrical contact spray before doing anything else...it's probably just dirty.

Where? Spray in / above the exposed piece of fluted metal between terminals 58r and 75?

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8989561)

Pop a couple of led lamps in the license plate holders and you'll be fine...

Suggestions, or link, for quality LED license plate bulbs?

Beaky 02-09-2016 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8989561)
Led lamp load is what?
Current load on that cicuit now is 2 incandescent lamps.
Pretty negligible added together...
The load of the dash lights is already going through the switch, just on a different contact.
Your only other alternative is repair or replace the switch.

Pop a couple of led lamps in the license plate holders and you'll be fine...

Will report back on Saturday once I have moved the wires

Thanks in advance

Beaky 02-13-2016 01:57 AM

So did this and still had some flickering, so can only assume its a dodgy connection or a faulty relay (if this is one!)

timmy2 02-13-2016 10:56 AM

Did the cleaning or moved the source wire?
If still flickering I am thinking it may be a ground issue.

422flat6 02-13-2016 11:04 AM

Are you sure the LEDs are dimmable? Many aren't.

Beaky 02-13-2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8996505)
Did the cleaning or moved the source wire?
If still flickering I am thinking it may be a ground issue.

The moved wire, still need to clean the connections/grounding

Beaky 02-13-2016 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 422flat6 (Post 8996517)
Are you sure the LEDs are dimmable? Many aren't.


They have been working fine for several years, only stared flicking a few months ago,

Thinking about it I noticed the flicking after the car was laid up in the garage for a few weeks

wwest 02-13-2016 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 8989173)
A bit of both but more than often its a constant flickering,

Fairly common LED failure mode.


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