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Brian993 12-17-2002 12:31 PM

First dumb question in a while!
 
So please dont jump on me!


Not that I want to do it all the time but is it possible to do a hole shot in a 993? Is it also possible to do a smoke show? These questions come on the heel of a discussion I have been having with an AC cobra friend of mine. I guess as a side question will it enevitably break something?


Flame suit is on, fire away!!:p

Superman 12-17-2002 12:41 PM

It does not work with my car. The smoke I get is clutch smoke in the cabin. Not a pleasant fragrance.

Joe Bob 12-17-2002 12:47 PM

Water up the wheels, you can do a show in a Yugo. But that Yugo trans MAY be a little cheaper than yours.......

One of the traits of "murican iron" is the cheap parts. Not gonna happen on labor and parts costs on yer furrin' car.....:eek:

jmohn 12-17-2002 12:48 PM

Anything is "possible" (put on the skinniest rear tires you can find). Why would you want to? As you already know, it's really the wrong type of vehicle for that type of "performance".

Answer to the last question --- yes.

Jerry M
'78 SC

kristian85 12-17-2002 01:20 PM

Please don't....It'll cost you.

Let your friend know that your car is so well designed with ultimate driving wheel traction in mind that it won't do it!

Actually you can--you see the magazine types who don't give a damn do it.

poorb0yw 12-17-2002 01:35 PM

Not exactly sure what you mean by smoke show but I do know its very easy to do burn outs. I was in a little hurry to get out of an intersection once (waiting in the middle as the light was turning red due to a left turn yield) and accidentally dropped the clutch at 4500 in first. The entire intersection was filled with a nice cloud of smoke from the rear tires. This is on 10" rears with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires.

edit: Forgot to mention this was on dry pavement.

fig911 12-17-2002 01:45 PM

I've got an idea...find a used car dealer near by that has one for sale. Then go take it for a test drive...hahahahahah

I'm sure it is nothing the porters haven't tried when they take them out to get washed or gas:D

jbripps 12-17-2002 01:58 PM

I gave it a shot......................once. With some prodding from a crowd, I let'em rip, and in turn, after about a second, I felt my transmission crunch and grind throwing the car out of first. Wouldn't go back into gear. It was a $2000 lesson....be very careful.

regards,

Brian993 12-17-2002 02:05 PM

I havent even attempted it myself, I have chirped them quite a bit but no hole shots. I used to do them all the time in my vette, boy would that thing hook up and slingshot. I kinda miss that type of fun. The 993 has its beautiful side, I cant keep my eyes of it but fellas I gotta tell ya I am starting to miss the 60's american raw torque and low end fun. I will say it again in full support of 911's their aint nothing like a 911. But I need some screamin, *****in, tire smoken, action. How do you guys cope?

nostatic 12-17-2002 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brian993
How do you guys cope?
I look at my insurance quote.

pbs911 12-17-2002 02:12 PM

Quote:

How do you guys cope?
By taking corners at 90 mph with ease when other cars have problems in the same corners going 45 mph. The corner Gs are so much more fulfilling than moving slowly while the tires go up in smoke.

Brian993 12-17-2002 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pbs911
By taking corners at 90 mph with ease when other cars have problems in the same corners going 45 mph. The corner Gs are so much more fulfilling than moving slowly while the tires go up in smoke.
I agree,however, the sound the of the motor screamin and the change of gears standing still can be fulfilling also. I think you guys can see where I am heading. A nice 66 big block vette might just fill the void. As for insurance quotes $1700.00 a year is no bargain either and that is with the best possible rating(my wifes of course).

JonT 12-17-2002 03:50 PM

Brian--my suggestion would be to put on a different exhaust on your car--something along the lines that I've got. Take off your mufflers and run the cat only with tips out the sides or back (I've got a 3.6L with 993 headers/cat setup). I would put the sound of my car up against any vette/camaro/mustang you can find. Its deep, loud, menacing and with the free revving Porsche engine absolutely devastating. It won't help the burnout fix but it will more than make up for it with the beautiful sound it makes running through the gears up to redline.

cegerer 12-17-2002 04:08 PM

<i>"The 993 has its beautiful side, I cant keep my eyes off it but fellas I gotta tell ya I am starting to miss the 60's american raw torque and low end fun. I will say it again in full support of 911's their aint nothing like a 911. But I need some screamin, *****in, tire smoken, action. How do you guys cope?"</i>

Brian,

2 words: early S

I've suggested this to you before and I'll do it again now. I've driven a 993 and - <i>flamesuit fully zipped</i> - it wasn't a 'fun-to-drive' car. The grip, power and comfort thresholds are so high as to make them quite boring on public roads at anything under triple-digit speeds. Same with newer Vettes, 996s, etc. Buy a lightweight early S (with 60-series tires or smaller) and you can have barrels of fun at any speed. You'll never be bored or feel the need to smoke the tires for kicks!! But it takes commitment to be entrusted with ownership of an early car. ;) -- Curt

Jamie79SC 12-17-2002 04:25 PM

I think I've figured it out.
 
Brian is actually fourteen years old - too young to get a date, so he haunts BBSs like this one. This young man imagines that spinning the wheels in front of a crowd is a satisfying way to spend a Saturday evening. :rolleyes:

Eric Mckenna 12-17-2002 04:52 PM

Brian ,
I agree with the fella's If ya get a after market exhaust for it.. she'll sing a for ya like no other can.. I have a GHL duel in duel out on my 78SC . and man .. on the Hwy merging inbto traffic as i run thru the gears . hell man I think it scares people get can't get out of my way fast enough..It sounds great from inside.. I KNOW she sounds good outside.. I do it fo rthe people ! all for the people.. !ahahahaha try that and the sound may get ya past the need for smoking the tires off.

but ya know Brian it all what YOU like man .. but I think you'd love the sound of a GHL behind yer arse.. Its a great fu**in sound! sorta like the old race cars!


See ya C.E.M.
SmileWavy

nostatic 12-17-2002 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cegerer
2 words: early S
I have to disagree Curt. I know what you're saying about an early car being more "involving" but I don't think that is the ticket for Mr. B.

Brian, you might want to think seriously about trying to find someone that is interested in swapping a 'merikun iron machine for your 993. I think you'd take a serious hit trying to sell it, but if torque is what you crave, you might have a good shot finding someone with an early Vette or fine Mopar machine (that would be my choice) who is looking to try on a 911.

Just because you love 911s doesn't mean you have to own one. It sounds like it doesn't really speak to you on all cylinders...or enough cylinders. Perhaps you really need 8. :)

john_colasante 12-17-2002 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cegerer
I've driven a 993 and - <i>flamesuit fully zipped</i> - it wasn't a 'fun-to-drive' car.
Trust me, it is a fun car to drive...

http://personal.inet.fi/surf/porsche.../911super2.jpg

Brian993 12-17-2002 06:27 PM

Re: I think I've figured it out.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jamie79SC
Brian is actually fourteen years old - too young to get a date, so he haunts BBSs like this one. This young man imagines that spinning the wheels in front of a crowd is a satisfying way to spend a Saturday evening. :rolleyes:
I'll tell you what, if I could be 14 again spinning the wheels in front of a crowd I would surrender my 993 and settle for your 79. If I looked like this at 14 I wouldnt know what to do with all the 35 year old puntange knockin at my door either.:cool: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/993 076.jpg

Fishcop 12-17-2002 06:37 PM

Good come-back Brian :D, and if you do need a hand with the 35 year old putang, don't hesitate to ask!

john70t 12-17-2002 06:52 PM

Horsepower doesn't work well with lot of weight on the directional(pivoting) tires and none on the drive tires.
How about a rear engine FWD car?

Joe Bob 12-17-2002 06:54 PM

R I C E

:eek:

island911 12-17-2002 06:55 PM

"35 year old puntange knockin at my door"
ROFLhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/roflmao.gif

last time i heard that it was from a 14 year old. though it may have been "28 year old puntange . . .. ;)

cegerer 12-18-2002 07:06 AM

According to Websters, the proper spelling is 'poontang'.

kristian85 12-18-2002 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cegerer
<i

I've suggested this to you before and I'll do it again now. I've driven a 993 and - <i>flamesuit fully zipped</i> - it wasn't a 'fun-to-drive' car. The grip, power and comfort thresholds are so high as to make them quite boring on public roads at anything under triple-digit speeds.

They are every bit as much fun to drive as older cars. They just force you to confront the fact that one needs bigger cojones to get to the envelope, in which case they become even more fun than the old cars!

Nothing like a controlled drift at ton+ speeds. Downtown.

911boost 12-18-2002 09:04 AM

Keep the 993 and pick up a good old muscle car. That way depending on your mood, you can drive either one. Thats what I have done.

I sitll enjoying going to the Muscle Car shows...

Although my 66 Mustang is of the straight 6 variety (200 cubic inch) so i don't do any burnouts. It does have 3 one barrell Webers on it right now with a progressive linkage, I just wish I would finish it up so I could drive it again...

Bill

jimbo 12-18-2002 01:39 PM

Quote:"35 year old puntange knockin at my door"
ROFL

last time i heard that it was from a 14 year old. though it may have been "28 year old puntange . . ..

Yeah BigBPaintwhatever - except you didn't mention that poontang you are attracting isn't female.

Jack Olsen 12-18-2002 02:06 PM

Track it.

There are few things more fun than showing up at a track day that's packed with Vettes, Vipers and Mustangs. They're all very friendly guys, usually. And the new ones all love boasting about their cars -- the mods they've done, especially for more power.

By the end of the day, when they've been solidly schooled by a German car with less than half their thundering American horsepower, they'll come up with some priceless comments. "I've always thought of getting one of those 911's for the track," and "But that one's a Turbo, right?" come to mind.

widebody911 12-18-2002 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kristian85
They just force you to confront the fact that one needs bigger cojones to get to the envelope

Are we talking about cars or women here?

Brian993 12-18-2002 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimbo
Quote:"35 year old puntange knockin at my door"
ROFL

last time i heard that it was from a 14 year old. though it may have been "28 year old puntange . . ..

Yeah BigBPaintwhatever - except you didn't mention that poontang you are attracting isn't female.

Sorry Jimbo, I didnt mean to turn you on. Geez you've been a member here since 2000, with 90 posts and I give you a hard on. Thanks for letting me know, however, your not my type!:cool:

Brian993 12-18-2002 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JackOlsen
Track it.

There are few things more fun than showing up at a track day that's packed with Vettes, Vipers and Mustangs. They're all very friendly guys, usually. And the new ones all love boasting about their cars -- the mods they've done, especially for more power.

By the end of the day, when they've been solidly schooled by a German car with less than half their thundering American horsepower, they'll come up with some priceless comments. "I've always thought of getting one of those 911's for the track," and "But that one's a Turbo, right?" come to mind.

Ya Jack I agree, no argument here. I cant afford to crash at high speeds and start over again. Screwin around with a little excelleration is what I miss. High speeds on the street involving an incident such as yours is one reason to switch breeds. Not to mention my insurance may be more likely to assist in a low speed incident as opposed to one at 150mph.

I am not taking a jab at you but I must defend my thinking. I do admire your tenacity but I dont envy your incured cost.:cool:

kristian85 12-18-2002 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
Are we talking about cars or women here?
Ha! Both!

Jim Richards 12-18-2002 05:48 PM

Brian, I thought you sold the 993. Whassup?

Brian993 12-18-2002 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Brian, I thought you sold the 993. Whassup?
No luck yet. Its tucked away in storage for now. I did have a deal working with a dealer but I bowed out after realizing he was buying time, trying to sell the car and leading me on and low balling me at the same time. Spring is probably a better time to sell. Of course I am willing to part at any time.

I love the car but like most things with me, old hat comes quick!:cool:

makaio 12-18-2002 06:29 PM

Brian, it's probably a good idea that you don't track your car. Either DE or TT. Because you will become addicted, and you will spend all of your free time and them some, trying to figure out when you can get back on the track. Or when you're not trying to figure out how or when you will be back on the track, you will be justifing to your wife all the money you are spending on go- fast stuff, safety gear, brakes, etc.... ... and the list goes on:cool: .

Then, when you find yourself eating peanut butter & jelly sandwhiches, so you can save your money you would have spent on lunch to help finance all this track time, you know you're addicted.

Luckly, I'm not;) (yeah right)

Brian993 12-18-2002 06:38 PM

Hey I'm glad you guys enjoy your cars the way you do. I have nothing negative to say about any of it. If I lived in a warmer climate I might feel different. But in reality I am freezing my nuts off, while my car sits in storage and I am paying $150.00 to insure and $140.00 to store each moth. If I could drive the car my attitude would be better.

But thats what we get for living in this suck climate. Well at least I have a ski-doo to pass the time. When spring comes, if I still have the car I am sure I will feel different about selling it. Business is picking up for me so I am no longer in panic mode.

Dont get me wrong fella's I still do think the 911 is the king of cars, that will never change.

Johns911sc 12-18-2002 08:08 PM

Brian,

What works for me is having a few cars to choose from. I have a '78 911sc for fun, a 1991 Toyota mr2 turbo, highly modded for fun and the track, burnouts not a problem and super reliable even at 280 rwhp. And then a '98 Jeep Wrangler for a daily driver. But most of the time I just drive my mr2 because its fast.

For you the 4 cyl. turbo might not do it so a v-8 something might be better. Nice looking 993 by the way.

John

zuerchers 12-19-2002 02:47 PM

"If I looked like this at 14 I wouldnt know what to do with all the 35 year old puntange"

what an ego...i think he sort of looks like a gay porn star.


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