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scarceller 03-06-2019 08:48 AM

Missed the point that you are removing the tempo motor and then jumpering those 2 pins in the engine bay. I get it now.
That should work just fine.

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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 10379699)
Sal,
Finally a wire wizard! As i read the schematic, pin 3 and pin 7 are a loop once the tempostat driven unit in the engine compartment is jumpered. Since the Porsche clutch switch is normally open, I am using the tempostat relay as a surrogate clutch switch, normally closed. Per the Rostra the clutch switch is wired in series to the violet wire.


ClickClickBoom 03-06-2019 09:52 AM

Will drill hole w/grommet for Rostra wiring input. Original body mount lowered if necessary, to fit.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1551894529.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1551894529.jpg

scarceller 03-06-2019 10:55 AM

Very good idea to gut an old control unit!

To bad you can't use the stock cruise stalk on the column :(

ClickClickBoom 03-06-2019 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scarceller (Post 10379875)
Very good idea to gut an old control unit!

To bad you can't use the stock cruise stalk on the column :(

Not enough switching capacity......
P.S. I imagine if one was to insert a momentary micro switch in the end of the stalk you could use it.

spoke 03-06-2019 05:23 PM

My '86 930 doesn't have CC. Is this Rostra Universal kit (250-1223) a good fit for my car? From reading this thread it sounds like those with the unit are satisfied with the results.

ClickClickBoom 03-06-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spoke (Post 10380443)
My '86 930 doesn't have CC. Is this Rostra Universal kit (250-1223) a good fit for my car? From reading this thread it sounds like those with the unit are satisfied with the results.

It is the most reasonable solution . The schematics for the 86 930 are pretty much the same as a Carrera, with some extra wiring. The cruise stuff looks the same. You will need a control stalk, unit and about 40 +/- feet of 18 ga. wire. If you read the entire thread, it becomes explanatory, no more difficult than a stereo install. I looked at the schematic for the 86, same-same.

nickd 03-07-2019 04:30 AM

Interesting. Why not adapt a later g50/964/993 unit? They are plentiful used (I have a servo and ecu for sale) and seemingly last forever.

GH85Carrera 03-07-2019 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mysocal911 (Post 9366074)
An overly time consuming mod with little benefit in the end compared to a properly rebuilt Porsche CC. Just do a search on Pelican Parts of those who have had their Porsche CCs rebuilt.

I have to agree.

I can assure you, the factory system my 85 Carrera works great. It used to lose speed. I sent the control unit in to be rebuilt and that solved any issues. I just set it, and bam, it will stay at that speed for as long as traffic allows. On drives down I-40 from OKC, to where I-40 stops in Barstow, CA there are many long stretches where I could run for over an hour and not touch the pedals or the cruise control.

Good luck with your 911. Now get out there and drive it!

ClickClickBoom 03-07-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nickd (Post 10380738)
Interesting. Why not adapt a later g50/964/993 unit? They are plentiful used (I have a servo and ecu for sale) and seemingly last forever.

An interesting concept, but there would be a reverse engineering curve.The Rostra is provided with install and schematics to make the install simple. Not to mention the P-car tax associated. My install is running at aprox $240.00, not much you can buy with $240 for a Porsche, even used.

dicklague 03-07-2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brorag (Post 9418754)
Dave, I've been there, did that.
When I rebuilt this car a while back, I sent the Cruise brain out to a reputable repair house here on the east coast. I had it out today and the rebuild date was 2011.
Unfortunately, the early analog units MTBF is high, due to their analog design and age of the boards (many of the components, solder joints and traces are failing). Porsche went to the digital unit in 1988, and that unit had been a big improvement.
Current digital technology is an improvement over Porsche's digital design, and the unit I'm using is commonly installed as OEM on new cars.
I like doing cross country in addition to the local mountains, and have found a reliable cruise unit worth it. If I were doing strict restoration, I might reconsider the old unit, but that's not my goal. I am, however, keeping the OE parts and wiring, much of it insitu, should the next owner wish to backdate it.

"DAVE" [not his real name] is an old 911 electric component rebuilder.

ClickClickBoom 03-07-2019 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dicklague (Post 10381740)
"DAVE" [not his real name] is an old 911 electric component rebuilder.

Well there ya go!

mysocal911 03-08-2019 07:11 PM

Surely one can do more beneficial DIYs on one's 911 than Mickey Mousing the wiring and adding
an after-market device for a minimum gain over an original Porsche feature, right?

Uwon 03-09-2019 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mysocal911 (Post 10383167)
surely one can do more beneficial diys on one's 911 than mickey mousing the wiring and adding
an after-market device for a minimum gain over an original porsche feature, right?

wow!

nickd 03-09-2019 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 10381617)
An interesting concept, but there would be a reverse engineering curve.The Rostra is provided with install and schematics to make the install simple. Not to mention the P-car tax associated. My install is running at aprox $240.00, not much you can buy with $240 for a Porsche, even used.

I have my completely operational 964 servo and ecu available for $80. I'll even include a copy of the cruise wiring diagram page of the manual along with it for the pin assignments. I would bet that the pre '88 cruise stalk could easily be mated with the 964 functions. Then just add +12v, brake light signal, and the speedo signal. The mechanical servo cable could probably be attached nearly the same as stock. I would wager that system to be much more robust than aftermarket, plus you can keep the original steering column stalk. Just saying ;)

ClickClickBoom 03-09-2019 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mysocal911 (Post 10383167)
Surely one can do more beneficial DIYs on one's 911 than Mickey Mousing the wiring and adding
an after-market device for a minimum gain over an original Porsche feature, right?

Pretty sure your attack methodology will insure that people will not use your service. You even explain why the original unit failed, poor mounting design. Minimum gain, so you do admit that it is an improvement. As far as “Micky Mousing”, I would suggest that you go do something unsavory.......
Here is why you are doomed:
http://www.rostra.com/about-rostra.php

ClickClickBoom 03-09-2019 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickd (Post 10383395)
I have my completely operational 964 servo and ecu available for $80. I'll even include a copy of the cruise wiring diagram page of the manual along with it for the pin assignments. I would bet that the pre '88 cruise stalk could easily be mated with the 964 functions. Then just add +12v, brake light signal, and the speedo signal. The mechanical servo cable could probably be attached nearly the same as stock. I would wager that system to be much more robust than aftermarket, plus you can keep the original steering column stalk. Just saying ;)

I appreciate the offer, if you post up the schematic some one else could use my posted schematic and yours to determine if they could mate the components. I am not a purist in any sense, just trying to offer an additional approach to solve for a known problem. The Rostra is a OEM supplier of C.C. units, so I will bet that their robustness will be fine for what I am doing.

spuggy 03-09-2019 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarceller (Post 10379875)
To bad you can't use the stock cruise stalk on the column :(

Hmmm - why not?


Rostra sell stalks with both N/O or N/C switches - presumably to aid integration into existing harnesses etc. Seem to recall you set the control module dip switch to suit. So whichever way the factory switch works, should be possible to match it?

Their docs say the control module can be permanently powered - e.g. via switched 12V on - so the on/off switch (with the LED) on their stalk seems pretty optional, as cruise disengages with either clutch or brake anyway..

At least, that's my plan :)

nickd 03-10-2019 05:21 AM

Cruise unit is top right. The wiring for the system is pretty well self-contained. Sorry for the enormous size. Pelican doesn't seem to support image resize tags?

https://i.imgur.com/iEYHPf1.png

OneMore 03-10-2019 06:30 AM

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!


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Uwon 03-11-2019 07:00 PM

As part of my build I had the OEM unit restored/rejuvenated by a well known outfit known to this board. Friggin engine raced to 7k before I had a chance to turn off the ignition. And this was in the garage. scary! Immediately tore the thing out.
I do allot of highway driving so I’m anxious to instal something “modern”. Now if Click or scuggy could harness the OEM stack for the Rostra, that would really by cool........
Just hoping.....
Johan


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