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Tony,

I agree, lower R (resistance) will yield higher I (current) and in theory more heat at the wire to heat the arm quicker.

My understanding of the WUR internals: once the arm heats to a certain point it pulls away from the internal regulator contact point. Once that happens the heat arm no longer has any effect. Correct?

Nice explanation here:
http://jimsbasementworkshop.com/CIS/page_images/73%20911T%20CIS%20Print.pdf
see page #9
Tons of great info on CIS at this site!
911 CIS Primer - Introduction
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:33 PM
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And this other great pdf:
http://jimsbasementworkshop.com/CIS/page_images/k-Jetronic-book-1.pdf
See page 16
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Tony,

I agree, lower R (resistance) will yield higher I (current) and in theory more heat at the wire to heat the arm quicker.

My understanding of the WUR internals: once the arm heats to a certain point it pulls away from the internal regulator contact point. Once that happens the heat arm no longer has any effect. Correct?

Nice explanation here:
http://jimsbasementworkshop.com/CIS/page_images/73%20911T%20CIS%20Print.pdf
see page #9
Tons of great info on CIS at this site!
911 CIS Primer - Introduction


Sal,

Never thought you would be interested in CIS. This subject is too easy and simple for you. BTW, if I would encounter an electronic subject that I could not comprehend, I know I could always rely on you. The website is a great source for reference.

Tony
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Tony beat me to it - lower resistance = more amps = more watts = more heat = more (or quicker) bending of the bi-metallic strip.

Just remember - infinite resistance = an open. No (0) resistance = a dead short = big current - think of accidentally grounding the positive of the battery - enough heat to melt a lead battery post, or weld a screw driver to the chassis. I can't recall if this circuit is fused, and if so, where. Seems unlikely that a dead short would happen here.

I'm unsure how ambient would affect resistance. A coil's resistance can get lower if adjacent wires in the winding fuse or lose their insulation, though I am unsure how often that actually happens.
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Tony,

I help dial in CIS systems often here locally. The principles for dialing in AFR are the same no matter what the engine is. CIS is a fantastic fueling strategy that works well when all components are in spec and properly functioning. The only thing I'd change on a CIS car is the ignition setup, I'm surprised no one has yet designed a complete electronic ignition for CIS with true full tunable ignition mapping. That would really help the CIS cars but the fuel system really does not need changing.

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Sal,

Never thought you would be interested in CIS. This subject is too easy and simple for you. BTW, if I would encounter an electronic subject that I could not comprehend, I know I could always rely on you. The website is a great source for reference.

Tony
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Tony beat me to it - lower resistance = more amps = more watts = more heat = more (or quicker) bending of the bi-metallic strip.

Just remember - infinite resistance = an open. No (0) resistance = a dead short = big current - think of accidentally grounding the positive of the battery - enough heat to melt a lead battery post, or weld a screw driver to the chassis. I can't recall if this circuit is fused, and if so, where. Seems unlikely that a dead short would happen here.

I'm unsure how ambient would affect resistance. A coil's resistance can get lower if adjacent wires in the winding fuse or lose their insulation, though I am unsure how often that actually happens.
Heat = Power (watts) = resistance X current X current = R X I^2 = V^2 / R = V X I
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I measured my 090 WUR (82 SC) this evening cold (86F ambient). Upon disconnecting the electrical connection, I found the male and female contacts to be very corroded. The vent on WUR was also corroded. Male connections had Infinite resistance. I did what I could to clean them up with my Dremel and then checked the resistance. It was about 10 ohms.

The problem I’m having is that the car runs very rough for the first 2 mins or so and then the idle smooths out and it runs fine. I have to give it some throttle to keep the revs up at first but after that first 2 minutes everything is great.

I will be doing a pressure test probably this weekend, but my question is this: if the resistance on the WUR is very low (again, 10 ohms) won’t I need to replace it anyway? Should I go ahead and just order a new WUR?
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It will need to be rebuilt to work properly. Tony (boyt911sc) is the guy to talk to. They are hard to find NOS and really expensive $500+. The only option really is a rebuilt WUR. Tony's very reasonable and you'll save a bunch of cash for a nicely rebuilt unit in exchange for yours. Or he can rebuild yours. I bought mine from him and it works great. Almost 2 years later and it's still working great.

Your WUR is causing the mixture to lean off too quickly so it's not allowing the engine to warm up in lockstep with it.

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I measured my 090 WUR (82 SC) this evening cold (86F ambient). Upon disconnecting the electrical connection, I found the male and female contacts to be very corroded. The vent on WUR was also corroded. Male connections had Infinite resistance. I did what I could to clean them up with my Dremel and then checked the resistance. It was about 10 ohms.

The problem I’m having is that the car runs very rough for the first 2 mins or so and then the idle smooths out and it runs fine. I have to give it some throttle to keep the revs up at first but after that first 2 minutes everything is great.

I will be doing a pressure test probably this weekend, but my question is this: if the resistance on the WUR is very low (again, 10 ohms) won’t I need to replace it anyway? Should I go ahead and just order a new WUR?
Measure your fuel pressures first.

Who told you 10 Ohms at that ambient is bad ?

If the WUR needs a rebuild, there are a few rebuilders who post here regularly. One (?) is an authorized Bosch shop from what I can tell from the postings here.
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I got a WUR problem I don't understand, its not a 911 but a 924, but same same...

Short story: I have had it apart cleaned it, tapping down the shaft to get the warm pressure in the right spot 3.6ish bar (engine and WUR really hot an nice). Car runs like rocket !! Well, as much as 924 can, but is was really peppy and responsive.
I go to get lunch, some supplies, change oil on my daily. The 924 had cooled down so I start it up, a little rough but it starts and I get it to warm uo. But now it runs like crap again, check the fuel pressure, its pegged at 5 bar (system pressure).
I then tap on the WUR with a hammer, pressure drops. I run it for a few minutes starts out pretty peppy, but performance decrease. When I get back the pressure it again pegged at 5 bar.

I tear it down again, nothing is sticky everything is nice. Button it up again, same thing, it cant keep the pressure. It pegs at full or almost full system pressure, if you tap it with a hammer pressure drops.
I tried to crack open the return line to check that it wasn't clogged but it did nothing with the pressure.
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WUR ID number........

Magnus,

What is the last 3 digits for the Bosch ID number (0-438-140-xxx)? A picture of the WUR would be better. Thanks.

Tony
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Magnus,

What is the last 3 digits for the Bosch ID number (0-438-140-xxx)? A picture of the WUR would be better. Thanks.

Tony
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Cool this picture was taken upside down but the forum up-loader turned it right... How did it do that!!?
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One more thing. I two WURs, the same version, and both behave more or less the same way.
This seems a bit unlikely, can something in my FD contribute the behavior of my WUR?
This car has been resurrected after a long time of serious neglect... Probably been sitting outside for 5+ years.
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