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JohnJL 08-14-2016 02:44 PM

Dizzy trigger options for a 6-pin CDI
 
I want to use a good 6-pin CDI unit I have with a 231.184.004 distributor, which I think is 1973.5-77. Clockwise.

I understand Crane Optical outputs a square-wave signal the original Bosch CDIs will not work with. I have not received clear information about whether the Pertronix i/ii/iii put out a signal the 6-pin CDI will recognize.

Are there any options, other than backdating the distributor to points? Could I use an tach adapter like MSD, Tach Adapt and Pertronix all offer to adapt the signal to the 6-pin CDI?

Little help please? Thanks!

jbell959 08-14-2016 05:54 PM

The 184 004 is a points distributor so it needs to be used with a 3-pin CDI. The 6-pin CDI is designed for the SC type distributor with the reluctor wheel. The input trigger is different.

I would contact Bob Ashlock and see if he has any ideas but I don't think those can be used together. The Crane or Pertronix just replace the points but provide the same input for the 3-pin CDI

JohnJL 08-14-2016 06:23 PM

To your knowledge, can I put an SC reluctor wheel and sensor in the 004 dstributor?

My alternative seems to keep the crane trigger in there and relpace the MSD 6 I had to use for another car. It worked flawlessly, I was just hoping t use the Bosch CDI I have.

jbell959 08-14-2016 06:27 PM

There is no way to put the SC reluctor wheel in the 004 distributor. The 184 004 is the "RS" distributor so it's worth some money. They don't come up for sale that often but would probably bring $500+ Why don't you just buy a good used or rebuilt 3-pin CDI and sell the 6-pin unit?

prschmn 08-15-2016 03:36 AM

I agree that you'd be better off to sell the Bosch CDI and replace it with something more current.
Maybe an MSD which will trigger off points or a Pertronix.

timmy2 08-15-2016 07:08 AM

Use an SC distributor and change the gear drive?

jbell959 08-15-2016 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 9241233)
Use an SC distributor and change the gear drive?

You can't spin the SC distributor clockwise... you would need to change the gear drive on the crank. The only reluctor type distributor that works is the early 3.0 turbo one that is the same reluctor type but spins clockwise. Unfortunately those are hard to find.

Steve@Rennsport 08-15-2016 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbell959 (Post 9241253)
You can't spin the SC distributor clockwise... you would need to change the gear drive on the crank. The only reluctor type distributor that works is the early 3.0 turbo one that is the same reluctor type but spins clockwise. Unfortunately those are hard to find.

You would also need to change the advance mechanism and thats not easy.

timmy2 08-15-2016 08:49 AM

Good info. Thanks

Jonny H 08-15-2016 02:35 PM

You can use any 'coil' based pickup with a 6 pin box. Mallory sell one in the States but not sure if it will fit in the housing. We've used this recently on a 3.0 CSL BMW.

Of course, if you used one of our CDI+ units, you could lock the springs and do the timing electronically. It will work with any kind of trigger and your tacho will work correctly. You'd get more HP from the multi spark too!

Fred Winterburn 08-16-2016 02:30 PM

I presume the 6 pin can also be triggered by points? If so, use the Crane box to switch the current to the points connection on the 6 pin CDi. You will end up running two boxes (the Crane and the Bosch) but it should work fine. To find out how, look at how an MSD is triggered by a pertronix module and once you understand how that is done, the equivalent with the Crane and Bosch should be easy. Or, contact Crane and ask them for a diagram. Fred

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnJL (Post 9240603)
I want to use a good 6-pin CDI unit I have with a 231.184.004 distributor, which I think is 1973.5-77. Clockwise.

I understand Crane Optical outputs a square-wave signal the original Bosch CDIs will not work with. I have not received clear information about whether the Pertronix i/ii/iii put out a signal the 6-pin CDI will recognize.

Are there any options, other than backdating the distributor to points? Could I use an tach adapter like MSD, Tach Adapt and Pertronix all offer to adapt the signal to the 6-pin CDI?

Little help please? Thanks!


Jonny H 08-16-2016 02:51 PM

Unfortunately, the 6 pin can't be triggered by points as the input is a zero crossing detect circuit.

Fred Winterburn 08-17-2016 12:40 PM

Thanks for that Jonny. I have an NOS 8 pin at home and it can be triggered by points so I assumed the 6 pin would be the same. Fred
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny H (Post 9243299)
Unfortunately, the 6 pin can't be triggered by points as the input is a zero crossing detect circuit.


JohnJL 08-21-2016 01:43 PM

Update: I went to put the 6-pin CDI away and found a good 3-pin. I think I have a problem when I am finding parts I had no idea I had...time for a garage clean-out and pelican classified sale...

Sigurd 08-21-2016 02:30 PM

Selling the 6-pin?


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