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RSBob 08-26-2016 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by deputydog95 (Post 9256122)
I believe this is the same guy in referenced in my post. Kris from cruise control repair dot com?

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Yup, the same guy is me. My bad.:D

deputydog95 08-26-2016 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 9256126)
Deputy, please keep us posted on the repair, very curious if it was the servo or module.

You mean there's two things? Thought it was just the module. Am I supposed to send this guy both?

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DRACO A5OG 08-26-2016 07:16 AM

I would contact him and ask. I think our 86-88.5 3.2 brothers have different CC set ups.

The Servo is in the engine compartment and the module is in the frunk behind the cardboard shield.

deputydog95 08-26-2016 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 9256161)
I would contact him and ask. I think our 86-88.5 3.2 brothers have different CC set ups.

The Servo is in the engine compartment and the module is in the frunk behind the cardboard shield.

Already on it, email sent [emoji106]

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uwanna 08-26-2016 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by deputydog95 (Post 9256158)
You mean there's two things? Thought it was just the module. Am I supposed to send this guy both?

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NO!! Your problem is an aging CC module that won't hold speed not a defective servo!
In all the threads on CC in this forum, I have never encountered one where the problem was a bad servo. Perhaps a servo that wasn't hooked up correctly to electric wiring or vacuum may have been a problem, but never a bad servo.

uwanna 08-26-2016 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 9256161)
I would contact him and ask. I think our 86-88.5 3.2 brothers have different CC set ups.

The Servo is in the engine compartment and the module is in the frunk behind the cardboard shield.

86-89Carreras use exactly the same system with vacuum servo and module, with two exceptions. They use a 14pin module vs 10 pin, and the module is relocated inside the car under the dash. It operates identically.

Correction: '88-'89 Carreras started using an electrical servo in lieu of the vacuum servo. Basic operation remained the same.

DRACO A5OG 08-26-2016 07:38 AM

^^^ there you have it :-)

Jesse16 08-26-2016 08:06 AM

CC module repair
 
I will relate my experience with repair this year. I had Kris or Cris (the new guy on the block) repair mine and it did not work when returned. He did warn that he cannot test his repair. I had already bought a non-working back-up module which I sent to Beckman here in NC who do repair and test of modules primarily for Mercedes. They confirmed the Porsche part number is one they can repair. They have a big place and charge real but not stupid money and guarantee for a year. That unit did work when returned and is still working so my vote is do it right and spend a bit more. Repair time was one day plus shipping, easy. You pay when job is complete with a CC.

uwanna 08-26-2016 08:13 AM

Cruise Control trouble chart has a huge ERROR on checking the clutch switch!!
 
I have posted this before to help save folks from frustration and unneeded extra work while troubleshooting cruise control problems, and since we again visit CC problems, it bears repeating here. The Bentley manual has a glaring error in the CC troubleshooting chart as pertains to checking the clutch switch. The Bentley chart will lead you astray and cause you untold frustration by letting you think you have a bad clutch switch. By the way, it's really not Bentley's fault, they simply reproduced the chart that appears in the FACTORY manual, which is also wrong. Anyway here the info:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/8759539-post7.html

uwanna 08-26-2016 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesse16 (Post 9256250)
I will relate my experience with repair this year. I had Kris or Cris (the new guy on the block) repair mine and it did not work when returned. He did warn that he cannot test his repair. I had already bought a non-working back-up module which I sent to Beckman here in NC who do repair and test of modules primarily for Mercedes. They confirmed the Porsche part number is one they can repair. They have a big place and charge real but not stupid money and guarantee for a year. That unit did work when returned and is still working so my vote is do it right and spend a bit more. Repair time was one day plus shipping, easy. You pay when job is complete with a CC.

And the burning question is, how much is: "real but not stupid money"

Jesse16 08-26-2016 09:55 AM

I think it was like $200 plus return ship plus tax in my case. Vs $70 plus shipping as I remember to Kris. Think the initial comment is that its more now. They will tell you the cost when you contact them, very straightforward. They answer the phone, its a real business.
Beckmann Technologies, Inc.

DRACO A5OG 08-26-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 9256266)
I have posted this before to help save folks from frustration and unneeded extra work while troubleshooting cruise control problems, and since we again visit CC problems, it bears repeating here. The Bentley manual has a glaring error in the CC troubleshooting chart as pertains to checking the clutch switch. The Bentley chart will lead you astray and cause you untold frustration by letting you think you have a bad clutch switch. By the way, it's really not Bentley's fault, they simply reproduced the chart that appears in the FACTORY manual, which is also wrong. Anyway here the info:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/8759539-post7.html

Oustanding! Thank You Brother Uwanna :D SmileWavy

deputydog95 08-26-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 9256266)
I have posted this before to help save folks from frustration and unneeded extra work while troubleshooting cruise control problems, and since we again visit CC problems, it bears repeating here. The Bentley manual has a glaring error in the CC troubleshooting chart as pertains to checking the clutch switch. The Bentley chart will lead you astray and cause you untold frustration by letting you think you have a bad clutch switch. By the way, it's really not Bentley's fault, they simply reproduced the chart that appears in the FACTORY manual, which is also wrong. Anyway here the info:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/8759539-post7.html

This wouldn't have anything to do with speed bleeding off though, right?

uwanna 08-26-2016 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deputydog95 (Post 9256504)
This wouldn't have anything to do with speed bleeding off though, right?

Correct, has nothing to do with speed bleeding off.

uwanna 08-26-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesse16 (Post 9256424)
I think it was like $200 plus return ship plus tax in my case. Vs $70 plus shipping as I remember to Kris. Think the initial comment is that its more now. They will tell you the cost when you contact them, very straightforward. They answer the phone, its a real business.
Beckmann Technologies, Inc.

I used the Ebay guy before when his price was $80. He does do excellent work, tests the unit, gives a lifetime warranty and pays for return shipping. The two he did for me are still working perfectly after a couple of years. My only concern was the price increase to $190.
911 928 Porsche Cruise Control Computer Repair Service to Your Unit 92861712700 | eBay

I have personally repaired four units myself with a removal of the lacquer type coating on the back of the PC board with acetone, reflow of ALL the solder joints and replacement of some bad capacitors. One caution, you must use a very pointed soldering iron and make sure none of the tiny connections "bridge" to another connection with stray solder! It's quite tedious work, but very rewarding!

kyngfish 08-26-2016 11:17 AM

Lol
 
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Originally Posted by deputydog95 (Post 9256060)
I drove for 3 hours on the interstate Sunday night. That's why :-)

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Yep, that would do it for me too.

deputydog95 08-26-2016 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 9256547)
I used the Ebay guy before when his price was $80. He does do excellent work, tests the unit, gives a lifetime warranty and pays for return shipping. The two he did for me are still working perfectly after a couple of years. My only concern was the price increase to $190.
911 928 Porsche Cruise Control Computer Repair Service to Your Unit 92861712700 | eBay

I have personally repaired four units myself with a removal of the lacquer type coating on the back of the PC board with acetone, reflow of ALL the solder joints and replacement of some bad capacitors. One caution, you must use a very pointed soldering iron and make sure none of the tiny connections "bridge" to another connection with stray solder! It's quite tedious work, but very rewarding!

Yeah, I'll just pay the $80 LOL.

megerian 08-26-2016 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by uwanna (Post 9256194)
86-89Carreras use exactly the same system with vacuum servo and module, with two exceptions. They use a 12pin module vs 10 pin, and the module is relocated inside the car under the dash. It operates identically.

Minor quibble, they aren't exactly the same in this date range. My 88 has an electric servo, not a vacuum servo.

uwanna 08-26-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by megerian (Post 9256675)
Minor quibble, they aren't exactly the same in this date range. My 88 has an electric servo, not a vacuum servo.

I stand corrected, forgot about the switch over to electric servo for '88-89. With the exception of the servo, the operation is still very similar.

unclebilly 08-28-2016 07:41 PM

I parted out an 87 years ago. I think I have the electric servo still if you need it.


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