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drdeech 08-31-2016 08:04 AM

Speedometer issues
 
I am having issues with my speedometer on my '78 911SC. I had the speedometer checked out at North Hollywood Speedometer and it checked out fine. I replaced the electronic sensor and still have the same issue, maximum MPH 30. Could the new sensor be bad, any thoughts are welcome. Thanks Stephen

DRACO A5OG 08-31-2016 09:20 AM

Is your sensor a magentic puck mounted on the gear box?

69porsche 08-31-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by drdeech (Post 9262556)
I am having issues with my speedometer on my '78 911SC. I had the speedometer checked out at North Hollywood Speedometer and it checked out fine. I replaced the electronic sensor and still have the same issue, maximum MPH 30. Could the new sensor be bad, any thoughts are welcome. Thanks Stephen

when in doubt tap the glass! and see if anything happens!

drdeech 08-31-2016 09:51 AM

Yes, it's the magnetic puck.

DRACO A5OG 08-31-2016 10:16 AM

Make sure it is in the correct orientation ( post a pic if you can), to test remove and pass a magnet over it and ask a helper to watch the speedo to see if it moves.

Also check the connection in the tunnel is fully seated

drdeech 08-31-2016 10:26 AM

Regarding the tunnel connections, does it make a difference as to which wire connects to which post? I connected it as it was previously assuming that was correct.

brianlay 08-31-2016 10:44 AM

Is the odometer correct? Connection polarity doesn't matter.. The sensor is just a switch

drdeech 08-31-2016 10:53 AM

Odometer is correct.

Bob Kontak 08-31-2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by brianlay (Post 9262778)
Is the odometer correct? Connection polarity doesn't matter.. The sensor is just a switch

There is a green and brown wire from puck to speedo. If they are changeable go for it just for fun. Even change on the back of the speedo?

Believe sensor is just a magnet. Metal thingies from the trans pass over it creating a pulse. You can't fry anything reversing wires. Is this possible?

Continuity test from trans to speedo is advisable. Also low DC voltage test at puck may be a good way to see if there are blips but I don't know how to do this without starting engine and putting it in gear and even then not sure if that would work.

DRACO A5OG 08-31-2016 10:57 AM

It doesn't matter +1, use a pick tool or something rigid and skinny to push the connectors in factory rectangular shield.

DRACO A5OG 08-31-2016 10:58 AM

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Bob Kontak 08-31-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 9262803)
Hey BK, You back :D :D :D

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brianlay 08-31-2016 12:37 PM

If the odometer is correct that tells us the pickup/wiring/magnets on the ring gear are all ok. I know NH said the speedo is ok but it sure seems like that's where the issue is.
Does the car have cruise control? If so unplug the connector to the control unit under the dash. The pick also feeds that unit and maybe it has a problem...although i've never heard of that. Easy to try though.
Otherwise it points to the speedo. Is the needle possibly sticking?

dap930 08-31-2016 12:58 PM

I hope this not your problem, but there is a disk in the transmission with 8 magnets on it. If one or more of these magnets come loose (hopefully goes to the bottom of the transmission) then the speedometer will not read correctly. The speedometer is looking for 8 pulses per tire revolution. Disconnect the puck sensor wires in the tunnel and check with VOM to see if you get 8 pulses per tire revolution with the back of the car jacked up. If there are less than 8 pulses then the magnet carrier inside the transmission is the problem. It can be accessed by removing the transmission side plate. With fewer than 8 pulses the odometer will still read, but not accurately.

drdeech 09-01-2016 12:33 PM

Here's a picture of the sensor. I plan on removing it cleaning everything and re-installing it.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1472761927.jpg

brianlay 09-01-2016 01:04 PM

After already replacing it? As I said before it's not the sensor.
Is the speedo accurate up to 30?

drdeech 09-01-2016 01:37 PM

I was told by NHS, the speedometer was relatively accurate maybe off a couple of MPH at 50 MPH. The picture is post removal and re-installed.

brianlay 09-01-2016 01:51 PM

How does it behave in your car? at 10 mph does it read 10? 25 reads 25?
And then stops going any higher at 30?
Is there at least a solid 12.5V feeding the speedo?

rick-l 09-01-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brianlay (Post 9264468)
After already replacing it? As I said before it's not the sensor.

The magnets on the ring gear are not part of the sensor.

It sure is simple to rotate the wheel and look for 8 contact closures (when one of the magnets goes by the reed switch) per revolution.

drdeech 09-01-2016 06:44 PM

The unit reads 40 MPH max and I know I'm going a lot faster than 40. Stephen

Kool-aid-82 09-01-2016 07:08 PM

Parts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dap930 (Post 9263006)
I hope this not your problem, but there is a disk in the transmission with 8 magnets on it. If one or more of these magnets come loose (hopefully goes to the bottom of the transmission) then the speedometer will not read correctly. The speedometer is looking for 8 pulses per tire revolution. Disconnect the puck sensor wires in the tunnel and check with VOM to see if you get 8 pulses per tire revolution with the back of the car jacked up. If there are less than 8 pulses then the magnet carrier inside the transmission is the problem. It can be accessed by removing the transmission side plate. With fewer than 8 pulses the odometer will still read, but not accurately.

Where do you get the replacement part/wheel?
And how hard is it to replace?

A horse with no name 09-01-2016 09:48 PM

Hi...As mentioned, just use a multi-meter with it set to 'continuity' to check the magnets...You can use either lead on the multi-meter. Each pulse will produce a 'beep'.


PS - Billy, its the puck that is posted in the photo. It's on the side of the transmission and is very easy to replace - One bolt holds it on. It unplugs from the speedo wiring harness which is located under the tin plate on your back seat floor board- 4 screws.

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yelcab1 09-02-2016 06:16 AM

The magnet speedo plate is easily found used. I had one and could not sell it so I threw it out. Getting to it is somewhat of a chore but doable with the gearbox inside the car.

drdeech 09-20-2016 09:56 AM

Reads up to 55 mph max now but going much faster than 55.

brianlay 09-20-2016 10:18 AM

when you are going 20, does it read 20? How about at 40?
You're sure the odometer is correct?

dap930 09-20-2016 11:54 AM

Kool-Aid,

Check out Uwon's post in the 911 Engine building forum where he removed the magnet carrier from the transmission. He found all the magnets in place, so he has some sort of problem with puck (sensor), which is nothing more than a reed switch whose contacts "make" when in presence of a magnetic field.

rick-l 09-24-2016 07:29 AM

counting 8 pulses per revolution sure would answer a lot of questions.


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