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ClickClickBoom 10-11-2016 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kent olsen (Post 9315041)
Everyone talks about more horsepower but what your looking for is power/weight. It's a lot cheaper to reduce weight than add horsepower. I removed 250 lbs from my 72 911. Then what kind of driving are you primarily doing. Autox? Then your just looking at tires and low speed torque. A gear change will take care of that. Track days, well now horsepower is an issue but before that torque pulling out of the corners. I had a special cam ground for my 3.0L that lowered the torque peak while still making horsepower on my twin cam engine. Like I said power to WEIGHT. Mines 8.9:1 with only 245 hp.

This!
While not elegant nor sexy, performance is basic physics. You have done all the hard work, now do the dirty stuff. When that's done, rebuild the engine with as much displacement and rpm capability as you can afford and call it good. Horsepower=BMEPxrpm(for a given displacement)
That's a nice looking car, buy a Subaru monster and autocross it.

gregwils 10-11-2016 07:54 AM

+1 for this and for Kent's weight reduction. I think you can go to 3.4 without any case mods.

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Originally Posted by 88-diamondblue (Post 9314202)
Go to a 3.4 or 3.5L. I did the 3.4L and am getting 260Hp. SteveW did the tuning on the engine and it pulls strong to near redline. If I did it again I would have gone to the 3.5L.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1476135745.jpg


88-diamondblue 10-11-2016 08:30 AM

Axvel,

Here is a great thread on a build up of a 3.2L to 3.5L. This one is twin plug version. I have tried to find the thread that talked about a single plug build, no luck. Lot of good information.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/181728-3-2-3-5l-its-finally-started.html

Cory M 10-11-2016 08:38 AM

Have you driven a 930? The turbo lag is really bad and the 4 speed has very long gears. If you are looking for autocross performance it's not the right package. You would be better off building your engine into a 3.4 or 3.5 as mentioned by others.

darrin 10-11-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 88-diamondblue (Post 9315126)
Axvel,

Here is a great thread on a build up of a 3.2L to 3.5L. This one is twin plug version. I have tried to find the thread that talked about a single plug build, no luck. Lot of good information.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/181728-3-2-3-5l-its-finally-started.html

Believe the 3.5liter combustion chamber's too wide to effectively fire with a single off center plug.

Axvel, if your engine's still in the car, I'd drive it for a little while longer and make careful note of its oil consumption. With a cat bypass in place, seeing a little smoke shouldn't of itself be a cause for alarm. OTOH, under 500 miles per quart of oil would clarify that a top end rebuild is in order. Once you have a sense of the current state of your engine, you can proceed accordingly.

I personally agree with others' comments on the turbo issue -- I prefer the immediate linear pickup of a non-turbo engine. Also, to your point on the 3.5, since it IS pushing the limits on spacing a bit, limiting a turbo to 3.4 would make sense. However, if you do decide to go n/a, there's a significant displacement between the (just under) 3.4l and (just over 3.5l) --

axvel 10-11-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cory M (Post 9315133)
Have you driven a 930? The turbo lag is really bad and the 4 speed has very long gears. If you are looking for autocross performance it's not the right package. You would be better off building your engine into a 3.4 or 3.5 as mentioned by others.

Thanks Cory, no i never drove a 930, but i do know about turbo lag.

axvel 10-11-2016 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by darrin (Post 9315144)
Believe the 3.5liter combustion chamber's too wide to effectively fire with a single off center plug.

Axvel, if your engine's still in the car, I'd drive it for a little while longer and make careful note of its oil consumption. With a cat bypass in place, seeing a little smoke shouldn't of itself be a cause for alarm. OTOH, under 500 miles per quart of oil would clarify that a top end rebuild is in order. Once you have a sense of the current state of your engine, you can proceed accordingly.

I personally agree with others' comments on the turbo issue -- I prefer the immediate linear pickup of a non-turbo engine. Also, to your point on the 3.5, since it IS pushing the limits on spacing a bit, limiting a turbo to 3.4 would make sense. However, if you do decide to go n/a, there's a significant displacement between the (just under) 3.4l and (just over 3.5l) --

Hi, yes the engine is still in the car, and I saw a set of 3.2 P/C's from our host is $3600 as opposed to $5600 for 3.4 P/C's.

But i was told that just doing 3.4 single plug is not enough, it is better to do twin plug 3.4.

axvel 10-11-2016 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88-diamondblue (Post 9315126)
Axvel,

Here is a great thread on a build up of a 3.2L to 3.5L. This one is twin plug version. I have tried to find the thread that talked about a single plug build, no luck. Lot of good information.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/181728-3-2-3-5l-its-finally-started.html

I will check it out, i was told to go twin plug 3.4 too

axvel 10-11-2016 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kent olsen (Post 9315041)
Everyone talks about more horsepower but what your looking for is power/weight. It's a lot cheaper to reduce weight than add horsepower. I removed 250 lbs from my 72 911. Then what kind of driving are you primarily doing. Autox? Then your just looking at tires and low speed torque. A gear change will take care of that. Track days, well now horsepower is an issue but before that torque pulling out of the corners. I had a special cam ground for my 3.0L that lowered the torque peak while still making horsepower on my twin cam engine. Like I said power to WEIGHT. Mines 8.9:1 with only 245 hp.

hi, thanks for your input. I was gutting my car off carpets, A/C and more insulation, and radio delete.
I know find myself putting insulation, A/C and carpets back in. :) So besides that i have a turbo tail that weighs a ton, but if i remove that it will kill the look.

Cory M 10-11-2016 09:02 AM

lots of dyno charts here if you want to get an idea of what the different configurations put down:

911Chips - Porsche Dyno Runs

930cabman 10-11-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by quattrorunner (Post 9314196)
Any turbo option will end up needing 930 or g50 gearbox. The torque will kill the 915. Unless you use low boost


+1 and who would want "low boost"

quattrorunner 10-11-2016 03:01 PM

Low boost as in 300hp and 300lbft tq. And safely made not highly strung.

Tonger 10-11-2016 04:49 PM

Which engine to choose Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory M (Post 9315133)
Have you driven a 930? The turbo lag is really bad and the 4 speed has very long gears. If you are looking for autocross performance it's not the right package. You would be better off building your engine into a 3.4 or 3.5 as mentioned by others.



Agree with this. Even with a twin scroll ball bearing turbo this would not do well on the autocross course. The turbo motor is somewhat gutless in the lower rpm range when off boost. I would choose option 4 with the more economical p&c rebuild and enjoy the car as is - especially since you've already seen good power numbers.

I would then rationalize that I saved $27k over the larger displacement turbo option and start looking for a 996 GT3. Don't get hung up on the headlights, it has no IMS bearing problems and is a very rewarding drive. Many prefer the 996-3 to the 997-3 because the handling is purer without any electronic nannies. If you sell the 930 brakes, you're half way there...

quattrorunner 10-11-2016 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory M (Post 9315133)
Have you driven a 930? The turbo lag is really bad and the 4 speed has very long gears. If you are looking for autocross performance it's not the right package. You would be better off building your engine into a 3.4 or 3.5 as mentioned by others.

I missed this post. Plus forgetting that your looking for autocross. Turbos are hard to autocross. I too think your rebuild the current engine and using the 915 short ratios is tour best bet. Get more displacement with the rebuild. You'll be happy.


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