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T77911S 01-12-2017 03:38 AM

awesome.
not sure if you were clear, but the fans DO NOT come on until the arm is in its full position which would be max heat from the engine.

about the flapper boxes.
with my flaps closed that is max heat. full open is no heat. this can get confusing. when my flaps are open the heat just blows to the out under the car.

I would just jumper the rear sensor so it thinks the engine air is hot all the time.

I cant wait to get my car back on the road to see how mine works.
I will test my sensors to see what they measure. I can also use a heat gun to heat up the rear sensor and test it.

spyerx 01-12-2017 05:57 AM

I was using term opposite. Open = heat. But I get what you mean.

I'll evaluate the motor switching again today.

It's just nice to have real variability on the heat and the "autoheat" part actually works.

mysocal911 01-12-2017 06:04 AM

The two temp sensor values and the preset potentiometer (under control knob) value (200 ohms)
is critical for proper operation. If either of the sensors is not connected or bad, the unit operates
open-loop, and the motor arm just moves from one limit point to another as the knob is turned
from off to the first position and then back to off. It's a very simple system that most mis-diagnose.

spyerx 01-12-2017 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mysocal911 (Post 9430060)
The two temp sensor values and the preset potentiometer (knob control) value (200 ohms) is critical
for proper operation. If either of the sensors is not connected or bad, the unit operates open-loop,
and the motor arm just moves from one limit point to another.

This isn't entirely accurate. BAD means its either OPEN ( no connection) or CLOSED (0 ohms).

In the testing I did with a variable resistor (potentiometer) wired to the rear sensor plug, at OPEN (which mine tested as, no resistance at all) the control arm DOES move to the full OPEN/full heat on setting 1. However, at any resistance below about 300 ohms, including to full short, the control arm is variable, and does vary based on input from the interior sensor and the top side knob.

So, if its not connected, or fully open: flaps go full heat on setting 1
If shorted or very low resistance, the flaps will be variable.

All I did was wire in a 200 ohm resistor at the sensor for now.

I suspect the majority of failures of the rear sensor result in an open circuit, therefore auto heat has no variation.

mysocal911 01-12-2017 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyerx (Post 9430169)
This isn't entirely accurate. BAD means its either OPEN ( no connection) or CLOSED (0 ohms).

Really? You found that definition doing a Google search, right? Keep "stabbing in the dark" as you
attempt to troubleshoot. You might eventually need to buy another unit.

spyerx 01-12-2017 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mysocal911 (Post 9430187)
Really? You found that definition doing a Google search, right? Keep "stabbing in the dark" as you
attempt to troubleshoot. You might eventually need to buy another unit.

Are you attempting to be an @ss or does this come naturally?

I was describing how I was using the term. If you need further reading comprehension help I'm happy to assist further. SmileWavy

There is no stabbing buddy. This system is not complex in the way it functions.

Vereeken 01-26-2020 03:10 AM

Great thread.
I am troubleshooting mine.

Can you explain to me how I measure the caloric feeler under the control knob?

The manual says turn knob to 5 remove knob and measure resistance, should be 950 plus minus 50.

But I can not see how I measure ohm on this knob as it is just a screw in a brass nipple surrounded by plastic. what am I missing?

wrxnofx 01-28-2020 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vereeken (Post 10731862)
Great thread.
I am troubleshooting mine.

Can you explain to me how I measure the caloric feeler under the control knob?

The manual says turn knob to 5 remove knob and measure resistance, should be 950 plus minus 50.

But I can not see how I measure ohm on this knob as it is just a screw in a brass nipple surrounded by plastic. what am I missing?

The terminals are inside the autoheat box. So you need to remove the box from the car (which means you need to remove the passenger seat to disconnect the servo rod) to get to them.

spyerx 01-28-2020 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrxnofx (Post 10733913)
The terminals are inside the autoheat box. So you need to remove the box from the car (which means you need to remove the passenger seat to disconnect the servo rod) to get to them.

this is what I did, measured it at the wires, you can seem them pretty clearly.

In my case, I just jumped the circuit as I didn't want to bother replacing the sensor in the exhaust.

It worked fine and regulated the heat well.

Vereeken 01-29-2020 02:20 AM

Thanks,

I got the factory specs when measuring except for the thermistor in the heatexchanger.
I got 350 ohm instead of 1500 at 20 degrees celcius.

Should that be replaced?

Michel

spyerx 01-29-2020 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vereeken (Post 10734939)
Thanks,

I got the factory specs when measuring except for the thermistor in the heatexchanger.
I got 350 ohm instead of 1500 at 20 degrees celcius.

Should that be replaced?

Michel

What symptom are you trying to fix? You really need to check all components. The rear caloric feeder simply allows the system to pass more heat until the car warms up then you have more valve regulation. If your rear sensor is at 350 ohms then you will likely get full control of auto heat. At least thst is what i found at 200 ohms the system worked like a warmed up csr and regulated temperature.

This was a few years ago and i don’t own the car any longer....


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