Interior Refurb

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 09:18 AM

Ok, I have pretty much just been lurking, but I have a few questions for you guys. I have removed about 99% of my interior, so I can redo all the carpeting (thanks to Eric), and discovered a hole under each rear seat that until now was covered by some sort of rubber. I plan on using POR15 on the floorpan and also the rear seat area and shelf, but now I need to seal these holes back up. Any ideas? Also, I would like to remove the center console forward of the shift lever, any ideas as to mounting the AC knobs on the underside of the dash on some sort of panel? I would love to post some pictures of these things, but I don't know how to get around the file size problem, so if someone wouldn't mind a quick tutorial, I would appreciate it.
TIA,
Brian
1983 911SC ROW

scottb · 01-24-2003, 09:46 AM

Can you post digital pics of the problem?

ipapilot · 10:54 AM

This is my my first attempt at resizing pics, but here goes!

First pic shows the hole in bottom of the seat area.

Obviously I have a little to learn as I see they didn't turn out very well.....

RickM · RickM's Garage

Is this the hole you're talking about?

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 11:20 AM

Sure is, one on each side!

Eric Mckenna · 01-24-2003, 12:05 PM

Brian,
I would love to have an answer for your rear seat hole question.. but Brother I have NEVER seen them before. I didn't have those in my car. They are not rust holes that have been repaired are they?. can ya get a close up on them forus.

Thanks Eric

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 12:29 PM

Eric,
I sent you a PM, I'll try and get an up close picture. They are definately not rust repairs. They look like a U shape, not like an 0, cut into the metal of each side.

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 12:37 PM

Maybe this one will turn out...

BYantzer · BYantzer's Garage

I had wanted to exchange the air cond knobs with the cig lighter and the driving lights knob. That is an idea for ya. If you do it let me know. Haven't had the time or the guts to get started on that one yet.

Eric Mckenna · 01-24-2003, 03:46 PM

Hey Brian,
I tried to find some old pic's of mine from whem I was where you are now.
I have one that shows the same sarea of the rear seats. I do have the small circle shape but mine is solid, not cut in any way.
I am wondering if someone had made the cuts you have to allow water to drain as that is a common place for water to pool up idf there is a bad rear, rear qtr window seal.
Was the carpet damp in anyway or dry?
We just started the same thing on a friends car and he had water pooled up in the rear seats.
Do the cuts look factory? of like someone had made them?
This is from what I can come up with right now what they may have been made for.
I have attached a pic of my rear seats with all the GLUE still in place which is a BIT** to get off hahah but worth the effort.
you can see the area that you have in you car in the pic and I have no cuts.. it's solid.

Eric Mckenna
78SC

WERK I · WERK I's Garage

Former Roll Bar mounting??

Eric Mckenna · 01-24-2003, 03:58 PM

Nope, I wouldn't think so... that isn't a structural area that one would mount a cage or rear hoop for that matter. This one has me puzzled.
I will continue to ask around.
Hope I can come up with an answer for ya.. I'd say weld them up ..

Eric Mckena
78SC

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 04:08 PM

Eric, On your car and your friends car, in the rear seat area we have been talking about, is that area covered with some sort of seam sealer or hard rubber type of stuff? If so, beneath that was/is a black rubber type cap that was covering over the holes. Very similar to the ones that are all over the floorpan itself and they are almost definately factory. I know, I should have left it alone, but when it starts coming off it is hard to stop the clean up process. I am considering RTV at the moment.....

Brad, if there is enough slack in the cables, I may try it, otherwise I will have to fabricate some sort of bracket.

Oldporsche · 01-24-2003, 04:16 PM

IPAPILOT, What year is this car?

Thanks,
David Duffield

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 05:05 PM

David,
1983 911SC ROW
Brian

Eric Mckenna · 05:50 PM

Brian,
Yes there is a rubber type sealer spread on the rear seats( you can see it in the pic) of both of our cars they are both 78SC's
I never pulled it up though.. is that what you exsposed when you pulled it up? .. I am not sure what they are there for. The holes that is..
I left mine alone as the sealer was sprayed over in the silver like the entire tub. The sealer was still in great shape as well.
I removed all the tar looking crap from the floor pan and I exposed two disc looking things on each side of the car.. but they were solid to the tub so I left them be as well.
Are you going to reseal them back up? I would or weld the area.

BTW: all that crap in the pic that looks like rust is GLUE old glue at that.. yours looks very clean compared to what mine was like.

Eric Mckenna
78SC

TRE Cup · TRE Cup's Garage

there are semi circles like that on the floor pans as well. They have obviously been punched open at one time to drain water from a stripped and flooded interior. Tap them shut from the underside, with a mallet/ two by four, and then seal them back up- rust proof them of course.

ipapilot · 01-24-2003, 06:27 PM

Eric,
I think I am high from the 3M adhesive remover. My wife came home and said the smell about made her sick. Anyway, those holes are exactly what I exposed when I pulled up the rubber stuff. I only pulled it up because part of it came out when I pulled out the carpet. I would weld it if I had the ability, otherwise I think I will use RTV sealant and then cover the entire area including floorpan with POR15 or some other paint. BTW, how did you do the carpeting area around the shift lever assembly? I am probably going to remove that center console and was wondering how you handled the shift boot and all.

Brian

cnielsen · 01-25-2003, 04:58 AM

These holes are supposed to be there in all 911s. If you don't have them then they are covered by seam sealer and you can't see them. It is not a roll bar mounting or anything else.

Push it back up from the bottom so it fits flush with the other sheet metal, apply POR-15 and after that apply seam sealer again. You can get it at your local auto body shop, comes in a calking gun tube. Squirt some on the area and smear it around with a small brush or a gloved finger. Let it dry and paint it if you wish.

Chris

cnielsen · 01-25-2003, 05:01 AM

BTW, the easist way to remove this seam sealer, undercoating and floor sound deadening is to heat it. Get a small propane torch and apply heat to the area...enough that you would not want to touch it. Then follow with a putty knife and scrape it off. Lastly you can follow with a wire brush on an angle grinder or something that will get the small bits off.

Chris