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kyngfish 06-04-2017 04:06 AM

Combining short and long hood attributes
 
Not to spark off any kind of debate or anything, but I was looking through pictures of some of the "outlaw" mods and something occurred to me. As much love as the long hoods get over the short hoods, to me personally, the proportions of the short hood, height, bumper to hood, lights to bumper and lower valance are actually BETTER on the short hood cars than the long hood, I just think it gets too noisy with all the rubber. For the rear, the long hood rear bumper to my eye looks better because the vertical (chrome or fiberglass) bumperettes break up the plane in a nicer way, though, I don't feel that strongly on one vs the other.

So in building my ideal 911 in my head, it lead me to the question, has anyone ever mixed an iroc front with a long hood back? What does it look like? Pics?

brasch 06-04-2017 05:31 AM

I have seen many, there was a red SC in Panamera couple years ago that had the same set up your talking about. I am if the opinion to make every car your own, do what you like and leverage the many options and looks that can be combined to make an outlaw your own

kent olsen 06-04-2017 08:50 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496594723.jpg

Put your own personality into your car no matter what others say.
My 72t has an S front, fiberglass trunk lid, two rearview mirrors from a Cobra, Australian Superlite wheels, fiberglass ducktail and a 74 rear valance.

I like it, I use it and she just went over 240,000 miles on my way back to Oregon from our RGRUPPE annual get together in Napa, Ca.

Flieger 06-04-2017 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyngfish (Post 9612786)
Not to spark off any kind of debate or anything, but I was looking through pictures of some of the "outlaw" mods and something occurred to me. As much love as the long hoods get over the short hoods, to me personally, the proportions of the short hood, height, bumper to hood, lights to bumper and lower valance are actually BETTER on the short hood cars than the long hood, I just think it gets too noisy with all the rubber. For the rear, the long hood rear bumper to my eye looks better because the vertical (chrome or fiberglass) bumperettes break up the plane in a nicer way, though, I don't feel that strongly on one vs the other.

So in building my ideal 911 in my head, it lead me to the question, has anyone ever mixed an iroc front with a long hood back? What does it look like? Pics?

I share your opinion. Particularly when the flares are only RS width the short hood rear bumper looks too heavy. Now, when you have 3.0 RSR vented flares and fenders I think it looks good.

Tremelune 06-04-2017 04:36 PM

It'll look a lot like this:

Custom 1977 Porsche 911 Targa | Bring a Trailer

Ugly, and unbalanced, in my opinion. Indeed, I think the '73 IROC bumpers are hideous, and there's one on the front of my car right now. The best feature of the impact-bumper cars are all the black trim. They break up the expanses of color and tie the whole car together. It's why these cars look good in every color.

Of course, do what you want—that's the whole point, and opinions are like assh0les. That saaaid...keep the trim or go full longhood.

echecsqueen 06-04-2017 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kent olsen (Post 9613027)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496594723.jpg

Put your own personality into your car no matter what others say.
My 72t has an S front, fiberglass trunk lid, two rearview mirrors from a Cobra, Australian Superlite wheels, fiberglass ducktail and a 74 rear valance.

I like it, I use it and she just went over 240,000 miles on my way back to Oregon from our RGRUPPE annual get together in Napa, Ca.

I like this ride!

shamrok 06-05-2017 01:14 AM

There was a car on BaT recently that had an SC RS front and a longhood rear bumper, he pulled it off well I think.

http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.ne.../Outlaw-59.jpg

http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.ne.../Outlaw-60.jpg

http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.ne.../Outlaw-20.jpg

More pictures here.

J-Mac 06-05-2017 01:21 AM

Go here Accumoto 911 Story — Accumoto Motorsport
White car with grey stripes. Long hood rear short hood front. Looks great imo.

kyngfish 06-05-2017 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tremelune (Post 9613483)
Ugly, and unbalanced, in my opinion. Indeed, I think the '73 IROC bumpers are hideous, and there's one on the front of my car right now. The best feature of the impact-bumper cars are all the black trim. They break up the expanses of color and tie the whole car together.

The example from BAT doesn't look like IROC bumpers? Or are there two separate styles? The one I'm thinking of has a lower valance with a decent sized front splitter.

Anyway. I actually like the look of the stock bumper with the black rubber lip spoiler. That said if I had an extra stock bumper I'd remove the black plastic strip and get someone to weld a smooth front?

Maybe the reason you give is why a lot of those "outlaws" with the IROC bumpers go two tone. But there's a build someone did in Miami blue that I think is either on sale or sold recently with body color IROC bumpers that looks awesome.

froggert 06-05-2017 07:09 AM

Here are some pics of my car with SCRS front bumper and longhood rear:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496675245.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496675259.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496675269.jpg

kent olsen 06-05-2017 07:32 AM

STRIPES ! I forgot that was an old picture. Here's the new one with STRIPEShttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496676596.jpg

RSBob 06-05-2017 07:49 AM

I am a big proponent of do what makes you happy and to hell with the nay sayers. Kent's car is a great example of a hybrid which pulls off mixed eras, however I believe, and Kent correct me if I am wrong, takes an early rear end with larger bumperettes with an insert piece, thus preserving the proportionality on the car's side view of bumper width.

However, from a design aesthetic point of view, when one has a fat impact bumper on the front and a skinny early bumper on the back, or vice versa, one end looks out of proportion and heavier than the other. Those who can live with this mismatch have my blessing because I am far more anal about design and balance, but then I am old skool.

kyngfish 06-05-2017 08:05 AM

These cars really look pretty awesome. I especially like Froggert's car. Really nice.

Thanks for all the feedback and info.

kent olsen 06-05-2017 08:14 AM

Rick
Yes the rear valance is different, not sure if it's stock 74 or after market. I also like that the muffler tips exit right under the fiberglass bumperettes. It's all fiberglass and I really liked the PORSCHE reflector, so as many of my friends tell me to replace it with the stock rear, it's still there after 20 years.

gtc 06-05-2017 09:21 AM

Here's another one:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/423361-438-lbs-gone-5-days-my-build-story-13.html

Cory M 06-05-2017 09:48 AM

Accumoto:

custom bumpers, front iroc style is tucked close to body, rear combines long hood and iroc details

Accumoto


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496684754.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496684754.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1496684754.jpg

kyngfish 06-05-2017 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory M (Post 9614136)
Accumoto:

custom bumpers, front iroc style is tucked close to body, rear combines long hood and iroc details

I definitely see the imbalance someone else mentioned in that profile picture. I much prefer the other pictures with the SCRS front bumper.

Does anyone know the aero impacts for having the SCRS bumper which has no front splitter combined with a ducktail? I thought that was a nono? Or is there a front spoiler I don't see?

kyngfish 06-05-2017 10:56 AM

Thanks for this. You definitely handled the imbalance problem by doing the two-tone bumper color on the underside - really awesome. I looked through some of the pictures but I didn't see any straight on, profile pics, do you have any?

911jettat 06-05-2017 11:18 AM

Interesting comments OP.

I hear a lot of negative comments about the front of the 964. Years ago I snapped these pictures to focus on the differences (and huge similarities) between the two bumper designs.
I don't think most people realize how close they are...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GA...=w1459-h941-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NE...=w1417-h941-no
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ag...=w1417-h941-no
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5U...=w1417-h941-no
And the back end too...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dj...=w1363-h941-no

Edoyle 06-05-2017 12:55 PM

Pretty cool to see those two cars side by side: They do share many more similarities than differences.


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